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On 5/16/2024 at 3:06 PM, RandyMarsh said:

Just thinking out loud but I wonder too if the Lions and/or other teams know alot more about what the near future holds in terms of the cap going up and they have caught wind that its going to take a big jump in the coming years which is another reason they weren't concerned with having that big number then. 

That's what it is. Just think about it. Goffs' cap hit right now IA about 20 percent of total cap. In 2027 or whatever when it's 60 the cap will likely be at 310 or higher...still 20 percent.

That's why in a cap league you almost always backload them.

19 minutes ago, casimir said:

So, ok, here’s the rainbow around this pile of lottery crap.  The Pistons won’t improve enough to stay out of the lottery next year, and welcome to Detroit Cooper Flagg.

Yeah cause lottery luck has been so great...

Play in team gets number 1.

Team that has had the word record over a three year span hasn't picked higher than 5.

I mean it's not like winning this lottery would have been all the great, but this is why many casual pistons have ditched the nba. Are terrible and there is no hope whatsoever of getting better. At least when the Lions and tigers sucked they picked high.

3 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

So correct me if I am wrong.  But they have dropped to 5th three years in a row now?

Correct. But not a problem system at all.

The never ending cycle continues. Not picking high enough to get good. Not good enough to get out of thr lottery.

3 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Not sure what you mean by nobody to spend it on  They lost over 80% of their games.  If a player was in another teams top 7 or 8 man rotation, they are better than most players on the Pistons roster.  That means pretty much every free agent with a pulse is worth spending on for Detroit.  

Cool we can sign some teams 8th guy to a cumbersome contract that eats up space and provides 4 more wins. All is solved!

(there is nobody to spend it on, who you know, is good. There better? Yes lets run out to sign Tobias Harris he's the piece we're missing for a 3 seed and a shot of a championship.)

3 hours ago, Deleterious said:

What is wrong with out draft assets?  We have all of our first round picks except maybe the one we have to send to NY. 

Yes that would be a problem. Losing a first round pick and being unable to trade any because of it hanging there would be a lack of assets. The pistons have 15 picks in the foreseable future through 2030. The Wizards have 28. The Hornets 17. Trail Blazer 19. Spurs 35 etc. See the problem here? 

We have far less draft assets than other teams at the bottom. Those assets are used to add young players or package together to add an established player. We have less than other bad teams.

3 hours ago, Deleterious said:

We will also be in the Flagg/Bailey mix next year, along with Dylan Harper who is another excellent prospect.  Bad team with most of its first round picks = a great place for a talented GM.

So will other teams. And they will have assets to move around if they really want Flagg and miss out. We, don't, its all about ping pong balls and another year down the train, another year closer to cade leaving. 

3 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Bottom line, a competent GM/President would love to come here.  Star player in place.  Draft capital.  Cap space.  No bad contracts to unwind.  Nothing to tear down.  An almost blank slate.  Owner who is more than willing to spend.  Anyone with talent would love that.

This is just a rose-Pistons-everything-is-going-great way of looking at it. We don't have a star. Cade looks good, he's made zero all star teams or done anything meaningful. Seems on the upswing but can we call him a star? Daft capital...except not really. Cap space....wooo to add nobdoy! no bad contracts! cool that can actually be a bad thing for a team on teh rebuild where a cap floor is requried. Nothing to tear down! Woo that means no assets to replenish what you have. Owner willing to spend! Yes in a capped league that's great. 

I'm not saying everybody should say no. There are only 30 jobs out there. But, come on you can't call it attractive. Troy has driven it into the ground, so far that even the world's greatest GM is going to take years to just reach compentent let alone fighting for a playoff spot. It not a good opening because you're already coming in knowing your going to be saddled with losing and after three or four years of it, no matter where you start from, the seat starts getting hot. 

4 hours ago, Deleterious said:

I think the Detroit job is pretty attractive. 

You already have your young star in place with Cade. 

You have an owner who wants to win but just doesn't know how. He also gives his people a very long leash, so not a ton of pressure to win now. He also is more than willing to spend money. 

Worst case scenario, we are going to lose a first round pick to NY. But we have all of our other first round picks going forward. Tons of cap space and as of yet no future salary issues on the horizon. 

The one downside is maybe Gores likes to stick his nose in a bit too much. But a competent GM can stop that.

It's not attractive at all. 

There is cap space, but nobody worth spending on. There are no building blocks, outside of cade, in players or draft assets. The only hope is to get crazy lucky in draft with the little you do have and land a superstar out of nowhere. Then you can have something to build with. The more likely outcome is a slow rebuild where the pistons buy draft picks for bad contracts and in four years hope to have some talent just in time for Cade to bounce when he's tired of 10 years of losing and when you have 200 loses on your resume. 

On 5/2/2024 at 5:51 PM, Toddwert said:

a loss of a big part of your viewers seems like it would speed up the death of Bally sports Detroit

its just short term. These drops have all the time. It's over carriage fees. The sides work it out, usually within a week. 

6 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Detroit has had fewer hotel room than most competing cities for a long time. It's a working town - not exactly a big tourist draw.

you just repeated what i questioned. 

So it has 'fewer hotel rooms' but yet can host super bowls and mlb all star games? And yes its a 'working' town. So are Cleveland, Indy, Charlotte which have hosted in the last decade.

1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

 

That tweet made no sense to me. So the issue is hotel rooms? But we have enough hotel rooms to host a superbowl, mlb all star game and the draft? I don't think the NBA all star game is bigger than those events.

43 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I've read that some teams have been concerned that the quality of depth in the later rounds is worse this year than in previous years, because of NIL incentivizing players staying in school longer when they would be drafted in that range or undrafted. I think this is also the first year where guys that we pickup in the 6th and 7th rounds won't be guaranteed a spot on the team. They'll need to beat out the in-house talent for that gig.

If Brad agrees, I would think a deal like they pulled last year for Brodric Martin, packaging later picks to jump into the 3rd or 4th round, would make a lot of sense. Why take three fringe guys if you could take one sure-fire backup who could turn into more? They also currently have nine picks next year to play with (two 4ths and two 7ths), and that's before even considering possible comp picks for Jonah Jackson or CJGJ.

wait 6th and 7th rounders were guarenteed spots before? I think most were luckly to make the practice squad if not cut. 

And the NIL issue you propose would be nuterlized after a year. And its been in place for 3. There was a massive drop when it went in place, but has been fairly steady in the two years since. So the NIL drop should be fixed by now. 

If its a bad back end its just cause its a bad draft. 

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

So goods everywhere but great overall? The math ain't mathing 

(Not saying I have a problem with the pick at all. Just makes me question the system when you get b everywhere but an a overall)

1 minute ago, Jason_R said:

They must really like him. 

They didn't have a ton of needs. Most third round picks are out of the league in two years. No big deal giving it up to go get a guy you like

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Why is the Bears pick taking so long? They made the decision months ago. 

1 minute ago, Hongbit said:

I was thinking that earlier.  Could be a late and very cold evening.

For the 200th times, espn asks them to. So they can do all the talking they need to do.

26 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

I could be wrong, but one minor complaint is that I think BH has been slow playing these extensions for some reason.

months ago he could have "set the WR market" at a lower number than 30M. same is true for Goff, who is going to get 50M per.

It's not a video game. You can't just make a 28 million offer and expect them to instantly accept then everything be rosey going forward. World doesn't work like that.

Brown wasn't going anywhere next year. Go out explore the trade and free agent market to see who you can get before you have to figure out how to structure brown's deal. Not to mention teams have to meet with agents, talk about it on both sides, make offers and counter offers them narrow it down. That all takes time. Heck I just took a new job with someone I knew and it was easy as hell and it still took two weeks to get all finalized.

On 4/16/2024 at 11:43 PM, Deleterious said:

Still sad we missed out on Keegan Murray.  

He was too old to several posters here.

4 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

You never know. He might start pulling the ball more and at least move a runner over. You don't need your best hitter hitting 2nd, you just need someone who can handle the bat. So far, I've seen Canha pull too many ground balls to the pull side at important, situational, times. Keith is worth trying, but so are a few other hitters. (Greene)

what is this 1988?

4 hours ago, Dtrain72 said:

What's his splits as leadoff compared to hitting in the 2-3 hole?

You're the one posting how awful he is despite all evidence. How about you provide the info to back up your own claim?

1 minute ago, Dtrain72 said:

Which is sad.

Top 75 in league. 

7 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

I love the team building aspect so much.

For this year's draft... I would start at the #9-ish prospect because ya never know when a guy will slide because... it's a draft... these things happen. I think it would be really hard for a top-5 guy to fall, much, much more rare. I also checked #6 to #8 prospects for a look-see... but I also do not see Chase Burns, or Hagen Smith, or Braden Montgomery slipping.

So... starting at #9:

9. Bryce Rainer, HS SS - elite SS with some power but slow bat speed = difficulties connecting or, lower hit tool. 70 arm, excellent defensive SS, but 1st guess would be he's a .220-ish hitter in MLB.

10. Konnor Griffin, HS OF/SS - "Big bodied athlete/ plus runner/power/arm can play any OF position". Not certain why they also have him as a SS? Swing is long but with fast acceleration through the zone = lots of line drives.

11? Seaver King, OF/SS - "Not a discerning hitter, chases out of zone, pretty low walk rate, bad swing decisions...". Nope. Not a Harris player. Full stop.

12? Slade Caldwell, OF - 5' 5.5"... "can hit with fringy power...". Seriously? No thanks.

13 and 14 are not better.

15. Kaelen Culpepper, KSU SS - makes a ton of contact with fringy/avg. power (which could improve if load can be coached up)... strong defense at SS.

Nothing better that I see after this...

 

VERY disappointing possibilities here, at around 11. If I hazard a guess: Harris will take a chance on Rainer, Griffin or Culpepper, whoever is there at 11. And whoever he believes can be "coached up" in our new & revamped (improved yet to be determined...) developmental system/coaches.

Just my 2 cents...

There are also pitchers in the draft

8 minutes ago, Dtrain72 said:

Leadoff Greene!

 

he has the third best OPS on the team

1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

 

here let me save everyone 15 minutes: It gonna suck for a while

I love it when the celebrities read their Mean Cleats on Kimmel 

Slider away slider away

1 hour ago, kdog said:

Last year's stats are just ok. And it was only two months of prolific hitting.

we know its your favorite thing to juts arbitrarily take and remove stats to prove your point, but those months count. he was also 23 with basically no lineup protection.