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13 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

Someone tell the Big Wheel to call in sick for this one

 

On a serious note, he is still an employee for the Tigers, so he is associating with somebody (Monroe) they probably don't want their employees associated with right now.

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

 

Yeah but that had Bob Costas, Joe Morgan, and and a strike a month later.

The cash back I get from my Amex is going right to a dementia charity for the time being. Sorry "cancer."

Okay, rather than get cynical about this...

Calling cancer a singular disease rather than a family of diseases rubbed me the wrong way more than the performative nature of this waste of cancer donations.

7 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

That was before McLain had his huge years, so I would guess that they were all hitters:

Cash Kaline Freehan Horton....

 

 

I was off by one.  

Kaline and Freehan are correct. McLain also started. We also had the starting shortstop in that game.

Anybody know the four starters the last time the Tigers had that many in an All Star Game? The year was 1966.

24 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Including the arb clock? I thought that was depending on days spent in the majors. I mean, I know that clock advances by at least a single day in my scenario, but is there something more that makes it much more significant as a consideration?

I know it's true that an option gets burned in my scenario in year one, and that would cost the team a year on the back end. Is there anything else I'm not thinking of attached to this?

As for the 40-man, I am 80% sure that the team would have to pass the player through waivers to get him off the 40 again, but are there any further machinations the team can undertake to get the young player off the 40 without losing him to someone else through waivers?

Anything else I'm not thinking of here?

Arb clock is based on service time, so it only counts days in the majors.

Let's game this out and say the Tigers promoted Jackson Jobe in 2021, but sent him down after one start. He only gets one day of service time, but if he was injured in Spring Training in 2022 before he is sent down, he would need to go on the Major League IL because he spent time on the active roster. I don't think he was, so he spends the whole year burning Option 2. Ditto 2023 and 2024 (he would be eligible for a fourth option). So in summary, he would be out of options now but wouldn't have much more service time. The spring training option/injury restriction is a service risk, especially for a pitcher, but only applies if they spent any time the previous year in the Bigs. (That is why Ty Madden is on the 60 day IL but Mattison was optioned).

There is also the salary component. 40 man players who have been in the majors are guaranteed at least $125K (that number goes up every year and I don't remember the exact number). That is much higher than the minimums at each level on the way up.

And when I talk about tying up a 40 man spot, remember this when the Tigers are pulling their hair out over who to DFA toward the end of the off-season. Mason Englert would come in handy right now, wouldn't he? If Jobe was pre-emptively added, maybe they don't have room to claim Tyler Holton, or they drop somebody else on the back end before they can come up.

3 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I have zero issue with drafting a slew of pitchers so far this year.  We definitely could use some new blood in that area of our system.  Getting guys who command the zone and throw strikes is fine- work on velocity and other stuff as they develop 

Did that last year and they are mostly on the shelf...

Hard disagree on SGL not being a swing and miss guy. The k's weren't there this year in his time back, but down the stretch in 2023, his K rate and Stuff Metrics were bonkers off the chart.

51 minutes ago, chasfh said:

@Edman85?

Yes. Once you are in the majors, all sorts of clocks start ticking. Running out of options as early as their age 21 or 22 season depending on when they are sent up and down, not to mention tying down a scarce 40 man spot.

... He hates Yale, too, which is what cracked me up, but I am against copying and pasting from behind paywalls.

I chuckled at Keith Law's writeup on Oliveto...

On 7/11/2025 at 9:50 AM, papalawrence said:

SI is reporting it

Tigers Earn Another All-Star Selection in Resurgent Star Pitcher Casey Mize https://share.google/MTIej5OJWQlVeTpIz

Here to point out SI is a shady site these days.

Brieske and Smith to the IL in Toledo if you were wondering about reliever depth.

9 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Can we be done with the Carlos Hernandez experiment?

I think that was the plan soon, but Lange had a setback and Beau Brieske can't throw a strike.

29 minutes ago, oblong said:

I thjnk the 6:40 times are actually corporate money hungry times.  They want you in there earlier so you need them to eat.  I hate those start times. 7:10 is much better for alternatives to eat before.  I’m glad they moved the Friday start times back to 7 where they belong   

I start work at 6:15 and love the early start times.

Radar looks fine in Detroit compared to the one I just looked at near my house.

50 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Riley must have both the ugliest batting swing and ugliest running gait of any big regular position playing regular. It looks for all the world to me as though neither will age well, although I can provide no evidence or examples to back up my concern. 

I have similar concerns, but that is mostly the lower half soft tissue injuries that have already popped up.

14 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

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Lot of natural disasters going on at the moment. He's not ducking the question...

44 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

I definitely agree on Ibanez and probably shouldn't have included him in the tradeable category.  I think it's considerably more likely they take the Urshela route and release him so he can have a chance to sign with a team than he gets traded.

He has an option and is with a team he can get a chance to contribute right now! No need to release him. Hang on to depth just in case the whole infield gets hurt in the ALCS or something.

Internal thought on Monday: Brieske and Lange could return soon and fortify the bullpen.

Yesterday Lange had a setback and Brieske walked 3 and gave up 5 in .2IP.

11 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

Can someone explain this to me?

Go down to the value section of their pages and click the glossary drop down. Their value calculation for position players is made up of five components (batting, gidp, baserunning, fielding, positional scarcity). Greene has a 15 run batting advantage, but loses 2 in baserunning, 1 in GIDP avoidance, 14 in fielding, and 6 in positional scarcity.

Meg Rowley mentioned in passing in one of the Effectively Wild episodes they are changing over their defensive metrics but I forget the details.

Probably trying to distance themselves from Lichtman given what was uncovered about him a few years ago.

Let me expound on Ibanez.

He is a 32 year-old weak side platoon bench piece making twice the minimum. The surplus value is nil, and he is unlikely to warrant staying on the arbitration contract route, meaning he is more than likely bound to be DFA'ed or non-tendered this off-season. He is effectively an expiring free agent. This isn't to say he can catch a hot streak and recoup his value like Mckinstry did. This also isn't to say he won't be traded; he could be a DFA trade guy.

But the teams he is most valuable for right now are contenders. Somebody who can be stashed in AAA and maybe be a platoon bat when you can carry an extra bench bat or two in the postseason. Unfortunately, teams trading back end relievers aren't in the market for 32 year-old bench bat non-tender candidates. Maybe if the Dodgers have a roster crunch when guys get healthy and have an extra reliever they are going to be forced to DFA, that could work.

21 hours ago, 4hzglory said:

I do wonder if they’re thinking the deadline will take care of some of the logjam.  Between Jung, Lee, Anderson, Malloy, and even Ibanez, there are a few guys who could be part of a deal for a shutdown reliever.

Ibanez doesn't have trade value.

10 hours ago, 1984Echoes said:

That looks like 7 utility IF'ers between Lee, Jung, Cruz, Navigato, Kreidler, Workman and Ibanez.

I'm assuming Anderson to Toledo would be the priority guy and get most of his starts at 2B (unless they want to try him also at 1B?)

It still looks like a utility guy or two would need to go to Detroit, or Erie... or somewhere. Even with playing Workman and Kreidler in the OF quite a bit (I think Cruz also has been played quite a bit in the OF this year and last year IIRC...).

What does everyone else think...?

That is just how minor leagues are run. Keep guys fresh at multiple positions and mix-and-match.