mtutiger

Dont forget all the blaming everything and everyone else that will happen whenever things don't go as intended.

Apparently Tom Homan was on the teevee earlier (on Fox) blaming open borders for this Las Vegas incident.... which seems odd given that the perp was a US Citizen (and Trump supporter) living in Colorado. Another confused member of the incoming administration. Maybe he needs a cognitive test too?

Just shameless lying...

2020 is such a terrible election to use as a baseline for turnout as well given the environment that it took place in.... people were more tuned into the news and primed to vote than in 2024 because many were stuck at home watching the news. People were less engaged this time around, not a huge surprise that there was less turnout.

Oh, I get it, trust me....

Voters really dislike inflation and took their anger out on Biden/Harris? Both in terms of some level of vote switching and a less motivated electorate? It really isn't that hard to understand, not everything is a conspiracy.

It's definitely a challenge to get a straight answer off of anything that is remotely challenging, that's for sure.

Uhh, we can have debates about the efficacy of Harris' campaign (that horse has been flogged to death at this point), but given Biden's standing and unpopularity relative to hers in the polls, it seems very likely he would have received less votes than Harris ultimately did. And the party would likely have not gained a seat in the House and done worse in the Senate as well.

In b4 "only the crazy libruls care about that lol"

Are you all for making it easier for lower skilled workers, as you are for H1B visas for higher skilled workers?

Man who rented Cybertruck that exploded in Las Vegas a Green Beret, official says Has Donald Trump blamed the immigrants yet?

There's enough smoke to think they may be in the pole position, but yeah, probably shouldn't pencil him in just yet

And.... crickets. Shocking.

The soon-to-be President, who released a statement with a non-sequitur about immigrants when the crime was committed by an American citizen, doesn't inspire much confidence and seems confused in his own right.

It doesn't help that social media conversations aren't face to face either... I've cut back a lot since the election, including leaving Twitter. And I don't miss it at all... People are just so angry all the time

Getting RFK Jr. to "bless the next wave of vaccines"? Do these people reread this stuff when they type it???

Probably adjacent to your point, but it's been clear to me for a while the GOP, including Trump himself, like campaigning on the issue more than actually solving anything related to it. Which intuitively makes sense... The guys writing the checks are the ones who employee illegals, the ones casting the ballots hate illegals and respond to anti-illegal appeals (and anti-immigration appeals more broadly)

Which gets back to the point I made a week or so ago which is that this problem is almost impossible to solve because there isn't consensus on what the problem actually... *is*. If we had an immigration system where it didn't take years for folks to apply to come, we'd probably have less illegal immigration. But a lot of Trump-style Rs (ie. the Stephen Miller crowd) have zero interest in making it easier to come here to work legally... if anything, they want to make it harder to impossible to come here and work. Good luck solving this issue with this level of incoherence.

Your own words.... unless I am misinterpreting, you are basically advocating for laws to be loosened for H1B applicants specifically, to make it easier for them to come here and work. My question to you is that, given that we likewise have a need for lower skilled immigrants in a number of different sectors, do you likewise advocate for laws to be loosened to allow for it to be easier for these sorts of workers to come in as well?

The elephant in the room is that you keep ignoring the point that we need both more high skilled and low skilled immigrants to meet the demands of our economy. And yet you, for whatever reason, seem to treat the need for low skilled immigration... differently.

Probably a lot of Trump donors lol

But my point was in reference to how your argument about needing more high skilled Indian PEs easily applies to needing more low skilled workers in fields like agriculture. Or construction. As you believe we should be encouraging more H1B visas for highly skilled workers, I also believe that the same arguments apply to making it easier for lower skilled workers to immigrate and work in the US in various fields. Goes back to the discussion we had last week on this board: the demand exists for immigration, both for skilled and non-skilled workers in this country. The focus on "legal vs illegal immigration" misses the point that I am making entirely

Every low skilled immigrant worker in the United States is illegal? This makes no sense

Also raises another issue... Just because the class of immigrant being discussed (ie. college educated, highly skilled) isn't frequently covered on Fox News and other right wing social media doesn't mean that there aren't these types of immigrants who came here illegally. Or have overstayed visas (which in effect makes their status illegal)

Exactly. So, again following the logic, shouldn't we be making changes to the system that make it easier for lower skilled workers to immigrate as well? Given that lower skilled immigrants (from personal experience, fwiw) run laps around their American counterparts in the fields? On construction sites? Etc.