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Not sure why that matters at all... the point is if he can't meet the expectations that come with the circumstances, you shouldn't be surprised if people hold that against him.

He's not required to, but he is running for the highest office in the land and to be the most powerful person on earth. Given the circumstances, along with his age and his general untrustworthiness, I think it's fair that people expect a lot more information than what he has released to date

Ehh, Donald Trump could release information related to his medical treatment or the doctors to speak to it today if he wanted to.

It's amazing... He's a 78 year old man running (once again) to be the most powerful man in the world. And yet, we continue to infantilize him, act as if he has no agency or control over anything. I expect more from my five year old than what many expect from this guy apparently

Maybe Former President Trump could dispel some of those rumors by releasing some of the details relating to his visit to the hospital? Or does he not have any agency here?

Last I checked, the FBI aren't in the medical field. That buck stops with the candidate who received medical treatment. I wasn't alive for Reagan's assassination attempt, but from reading about it and family who were alive at the time discussing it, he was transparent. We heard from the docs, we knew the details straight from them in a way that we just haven't here. You can go ahead and think it's nothing, fall back on "I saw what I saw on the video", but if someone wants this particular job, I expect a lot more.

NBD, he's just trolling

In the interest of transparency, should Trump release more information related to his hospitalization for what took place in Butler? And would you agree that it isn't, in fact, conspiratorial to expect more medical transparency regarding an assassination attempt on a political figure widely believed to be the front runner to become President?

I do as well, but I think you tend to dodge a lot of my questions... Such as this one: Joe Biden's experience only underscores the concerns we have with Trump and the transparency around his health, does it not?

I would add, there has been a ton of discussion about Joe Biden's age and abilities from the moment he declared for office in 2019. Certainly orders of magnitude more than has ever been had regarding Trump. It's amazing that this even a debate lol

Same. The culture war stuff is pointless, the last two pages of this thread prove it. But choosing to fight it and argue it over and over again is a choice. Really, it has no bearing on any of our lives.

Speaking of conspiracy theories...

This is exactly right. It strikes me as hypocritical to complain about Joe Biden's health or engage in conspiracies around it while ignoring or dismissing concerns around Trump

If you are concerned about Joe Biden and his age, why wouldn't you be concerned about Donald Trump going from 79 to 83? Joe Biden's experience only underscores the concerns we have with Trump and the transparency around his health, does it not?

Put another way, if he isn't providing details on this, what happens three years into his term of he suffers some medical issue? Do we think he's going to be straight with us?

I don't know that anything would change. That's not the point, though... We are entrusting this man, should he be elected again, to this position; to be the most powerful person on the planet. And to the extent that the lack of details is driven by him personally (and would it be surprising if it was, frankly?), we can infer what to expect should become President. Especially, as we are currently experiencing, as he proceeds from his late 70s into his early 80s.

It's really simple for me: the front runner for this election, ie. someone who could potentially become the most powerful person in the world, was shot in the ear... And we never once heard from the doctors. We didn't get many details at all, frankly... sure, I believe what my eyes saw, but I also believed what my eyes saw in Las Vegas in 2017, and yet the lack of transparency there fueled many conspiracies. Why shouldn't I want to know the precise details of what happened, similar to Reagan or Ford of Kennedy? It's bizarre how people just want to shut down this conversation

It did happen. I saw it with my own eyes, FFS. But if anybody suggests there's been a lack of transparency regarding the details of the actual impact on Trump, does that make them a looney conspiracy theorist in your eyes? Should be an easy question to answer

Two weeks ago, Tigeraholic and I had a pretty substantive conversation about the lack of civility in politics these days. On this very thread. Seema like that conversation went inert since that time. It's really a shame.

And if anybody suggests there's been a lack of transparency regarding the details of the actual impact on Trump, does that make them a looney conspiracy theorist in your eyes?

The shifts in West Michigan loom large too... Kent is basically blue at this point, and Ottawa seems to shift left every single election. It's honestly amazing that they charge $35 dollars a month for this analysis and can't be bothered to acknowledge Grand Rapids' existence

Do experts like this realize that the Blue Wall states all have a lot of suburbs and suburban women in them? I swear, whenever Cook Political Report talks about MI, they treat the entire state like it's Tuscola County + Detroit + Dearborn, and ignore everything else lol

I honestly don't care one way or another on it... I do think we probably should have heard more from the doctors at the time he was hospitalized though. The lack of transparency is notable IMO