Sports_Freak

If 10 vaxxed people spread the virus among themselves, chances are very great they'll get a mild enough case where they won't need hospitalization. Throw a few unvaxxed people in there and there's a risk of death to them. So what you're saying is the heck with the unvaxxed? OK, most of the county is doing just that. There's no mandates where I live. But the hospitals really need a break after Delta and then Omicron. And again, the original reasoning was correct. The vaccine stopped the spread of the Delta variant. Not so much with Omicron but we did catch a break by it making the virus less severe. Look, as someone who's been vaxxed, you can go to restaurants. As someone who is immune compromised, I don't dare go to one.

Agreed. My concern is the GOP will find someone just as bad as Trump, only intelligent. They have a pretty large base. The issues you bring up are all something that needs to be worked out, as Americans, rationally. Trump used to talk about ripping babies out of mothers and killing them. That never happened and there are rules about how far along a woman can be. I'm pro-choice but as a man, I'm willing to let a women decide. And as the numbers of Trans folks grow, they need recognition. Otherwise, it really is discrimination. And if religion is the reason some may be against it, they should be reminded about the separation of church and state. Their religion may not be the same as someone else's (or even lack of). And I've heard it said, over and over, that a pullout, after a 20 year war, was going to be messy. And don't forget who gave us the pullout timeline....yes, Donald Trump. I actually consider myself a conservative in my personal life. Would I want a loved one to get an abortion? Nope. But do I care if some woman 10 miles away gets one? Her business. But, back OT, how quickly will everything get back to normal? I hope it's not rushed like it was before.

I actually had to go back to see why I would possibly quote you. Then I realized you were crying about needing to be vaccinated to get into a restaurant (where you live). So...once again, I had to explain basic facts about the vaccine to you. And yes, anti-vaxxers ARE nuts.

I'll type really slow...try to keep up. Vaccines keep people out of the hospitals. Vaccines keep people alive. So yes, you need to be vaccinated to get into certain places. If you don't like it, move. Or stay home. I really dgaf.

Restaurants, theaters, gyms and more. Because vaccines keep people out of the hospital. And keep people alive. Before you whine about getting picked on, I'm just explaining things we learned about the spread of coronavirus. You want to walk into a restaurant without a vaccine? All the people in the restaurant don't want unvaxxed folks spreading the virus. Science....learn it.

I don't think I mentioned you. I'm talking to the idiots with a short memory who say the vaccines didn't work. I'm saying, yes they did/do work. As does correct masking.

That's because SO MANY on the right are racist, sexist and anti-vaxxers. Look at King Trump. Is there an American politician as bad as he is on SO many issues? Or do you agree with his aggressive form of leading the GOP?

Unvaccinated stats; https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html

True. Some companies are returning manufacturing here. But trying to buy 100% American made products is almost impossible.

And the Chinese can build an 8000 bed hospital in 3 days....lmao

Cool...the vaccine worked. Pretty lucky.

Agreed. People want covid to be over. I get that, I want it over too. But covid sets the time, we don't. I mean, I want winter over now but what I want and when it ends isn't up to any of us.

Nice thread on masks;

People with short memories need to be reminded. The vaccine was developed for the Alpha and Delta variants of covid. And the vaccine worked very good against the early variants. It's why such a huge % of hospitalizations and deaths were the unvaxxed. And the vaccine protects against hospitalizations and deaths from the omicron variant.. I really can't believe you didn't know these basic facts.

Testing and 5 days, huh? My anti-vax, anti-mask neighbor had a "cold" for about a week. Never got tested, still hasn't worn a mask and didn't isolate for a day, let alone 5 days. I suspect there's a lot of people like that. Real tough guys don't get sick. And if you do, it's your fault for having high blood pressure or an autoimmune problem.

It would be interesting to see post-omicron. I hear stories about how much more contagious it is and it would totally change those numbers. Plus, with the vaccines, many people don't get tested if the don't have symptoms. But they can still have it and pass it on.

Maybe he meant indoors. The last time I was at the grocery store, it was about 50-50. We don't have a mask or vaccine state mandate like Illinois does. It sounds like it may be ending soon, it's pretty restrictive. https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2022/2/1/22913203/illinois-coronavirus-vaccine-masks-mandate-chicago-pritzker-omicron-surge-vaccine

And all the games with 100,000 fans at UM stadium. People maskless (mostly) and screaming. Yeah, it's outdoors but that's a lot of people. I don't have any children or grandchildren, so I don't have a horse in that race. But if I did, I would want everyone masked. If not, keep my child at home.

The governor of Virginia lost his first court case WRT face masks in schools; https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-judge-grants-temporary-restraining-order-allowing-mask-mandates-to-remain-in-schools

Last month, my son came home to visit (from Chicago). He couldn't believe all the people walking around the Detroit area with no mask. And he's a healthy 34 year old personal trainer. I was pretty proud that somehow I raised a kid with common sense....😅

Well said. People are wearing cloth masks as a fashion accessory. Mask has to match your belt which has to match your shoes....

I just follow the science. Cloth masks will protect you and stop the spread of the Alpha and Deltra variants. Omnicron, not so much. It's SO contagious, it can enter thru the mask and around any part of the mask that isn't sealed. It's why they call for people to wear N95 masks. Cloth masks are better than no mask but if you really want protection, wear a tight fitting N95. Here's just one link of 100's; https://people.com/health/why-health-experts-recommend-retiring-cloth-masks-in-the-fight-against-omicron/

Should point out its the Omicron variant that cloth masks are useless against. It's so contagious, it can get thru the edges of a non-tight fitting mask. But cloth masks are still useful against the Alpha and Deltra variants.

In some places, you're correct. My son lives in Chicago and told me that some establishments require a vaccine record and masks to be worn for entrance. He said these places were very crowded, people are very eager to go out and have fun again. But they also wanna be safe. So yeah, if you wanna stay home, you can. 😁