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Yes, I now. 😉

Sure it is, but the AAV was the yardstick being used in the post you pointed to. If that's the measure of competitiveness or seriousness we're going to use, then the Astros' offer was more competitive and serious than the four offers originally listed.

Yeah, it was ridiculous all right, but they made the offer in all seriousness, and Correa accepted it, so it looks like the Giants dodged a bullet on that one.

What did the Astros offer Correa? 5 years $160 mill = $32.0MM AAV. By your yardstick, that was the most serious offer by a mile and a half.

The Tigers offer was 55 million lower than Correa's stated goal of 330, and 75 million lower than Giants offer of 350 he accepted. So, not so competitive.

They might have well have offered one year for eight million, because that had as much chance of being accepted as 10/275 was, which was zero. And an offer that everyone knows will not be accepted by the other side is not a serious offer.

It’s true Correa didn’t get a $330 million offer. What he got instead was a $350 million offer, from the Giants. When that fell apart because of health, he then got a $315 million offer from the Mets, which fell apart for the same reasons. Point being, $275 million (which, as I just looked it up now, was the actual number) was never, ever going to cut it with Correa on the day it was offered him, and everybody paying attention at the time knew it wouldn’t. Why would Avila make an intentional lowball offer? It could be one of two reasons that I can imagine: The Tigers just came off a 77-win season and it looked like we’d turned a corner, and we definitely needed a shortstop. There was a lot of buzz that we should be in on Correa but Ilitch probably did not want to spend anything like $330MM on him, but we couldn’t be seen not going after the biggest free agents because optics. So we made the lowball offer we knew was going to be rejected so we could say see? We made a serious offer and he turned us down. Not our fault, we were serious. In fact it’s his fault that he didn’t take the life-changing money, so what the hell is wrong with that guy? Who wants a guy like that, anyway? And hey, that worked, because people were and are satisfied that it was a serious offer and Correa was an idiot for not taking it. Of course, for this reason to make sense would require Avila to be devious enough to come up with such a scheme, which you yourself imply is not at all likely, or else he was taking a marching order from Ilitch on it. But either way, this might not be what the case was, anyway, which leads to the second reason I can imagine: Al Avila is an ignorant negotiator who honestly didn’t understand that lowballing his target by more than $50 million on the very first offer made by any team was never going to fly. I would grant that under these circumstances, Avila made the offer with the serious intention of signing Correa for that amount, but that would also mean Avila is too ignorant to realize that Correa was never, ever, ever going to take a lowball offer like that as long as ten-plus-year deals were still on the table, as they still were in November of 2021. (Correa did end up taking 3/105 from the Twins not because he grossly overestimated his own worth, but because the health issues that were revealed after the Giants and Mets fiascos screwed up his market, and at that point, no way were the Tigers going to make 10/275 available to him again.) I would still conclude that despite the possibility the Tigers honestly miscalculated the sufficiency of the offer, it still can’t be regarded as a serious offer, because both sides, not just one, need to regard it as a serious offer for it to actually be so. Otherwise, the Tigers could have offered Correa one year at $8 million and said it was a serious offer, and by your defintion, you would have to agree that it was.

Correa publicly established a minimum of $330. The Tigers were to first to the table with an offer of $290, before any other team had made an offer. The chances of Correa taking that offer was zero, and everyone, including the Tigers, knew that. That’s not a serious offer.

When people, meaning professional writers, use “rip off” in the wrong way. A football writer for the Chicago Tribune this morning wrote, “Justin Herbert and his offense were waiting for one more opportunity [to get the football back and score again] after ripping off five consecutive touchdown drives”. Someone doesn’t “rip off” five consecutive touchdown drives. Someone reels off five consecutive touchdown drives. What someone rips off is a palate of footballs from the back room of a Sports Authority.

No, it wasn’t. He had a stated number well into the threes and there was no way he was going to accept an offer that lowballed it.

I don’t think that was a serious offer.

Indeed, but how long has it been since we have been mentioned like this, as a potential suitor for a top talent? Its a really nice step forward for us.

Paging @1984Echoes

Or they might have not been fine with it for reasons fans can understand. No way to know.

Everyone by now knows how Speaker Johnson shepherded the release of 40,000 hours of footage of the Jan 6 incident so the right wingers can gaslight us that those people breaching the Cpitol really were just tourists in DC there to pay homage to the seat of our government, and they can show us footage of people hugging Capitol cops and all that. Liz Cheney has a reminder for us.

I don’t see how they can keep Trump off the ballot before he is actually convicted of insurrection.

I dont know if that’s true. There was a famous political commercial from I think one of the third party candidates, maybe in the 1980s, that used the word close to “bullshirt” and the stations had to take the spot, or at least there was a controversy about it? I remember the story was on the network news.

That’s because you are a broadcast station, not a cable network, which as you know operates under completely different and looser rules.

I wouldn’t agree that players are ciphers who don’t pay attention to what’s going on with teammates around them, keeping their heads down and focusing only on the baseball and nothing else. These are fully-formed adults with thoughts and opinions just like the rest of us, and who work in close proximity to one another seven or eight months during the year (well, except when they are ghosting, for reasons). I would be really surprised to learn they weren’t paying much attention to what was going on with Eduardo last season, or while he was jerking the team around at the deadline this past July, and had zero opinion about any of it, especially since it all definitely affected them as teammates. I don’t know what that opinion would be, exactly, but I would be surprised to learn it was no opinion at all. As for Turnbull, I’m sure most of those guys don’t have zero opinion about him and his deal, either, since his antics cost them a Turnbull start for his so-called cracked toenail “injury”. Just because we the fans don’t have the first clue what’s going on in their heads doesn’t mean their teammates don’t as well, and while I don’t know any better than you what their opinion of it all would be, it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that the other Tigers thought of Turnbull as flaky and unreliable as well. We don’t know what really goes on in clubhouses behind closed doors, except perhaps what we learn from tell-all books after the fact, but I’m as sure as I can be that it’s not 26 guys existing in their own bubbles shutting everyone else out and knowing nothing about what’s going except with themselves alone.

I made the comment to be humorous, although I also don't think Harris's goal was to show the players who's boss as much as his actions have the effect of reminding players that they're not dealing with the Al Avila regime anymore.

Maybe non-difficult players wouldn't think Harris such a jerk if he chooses to not bring back players who ghost their teammates for months at a time, or who malinger with "injuries" like cracked toenails even in an attempt to manipulate service time for personal gain.

Probably not among the kind of talent that likes ****ing with general managers.

I’m pretty sure Boras isn’t taking Spencer Trumbull’s calls anymore. The intern from the GLIAC school is totally available to talk, though. 😁 If Spencer Turnbull actually wanted to leave the Tigers as a free agent, then I’m thinking Boras did not level with him about the state of his market.

Yeah, that is a bit of a head-scratcher. Maybe he was willing to let Turnbull try but there was some encounter with him or Boras that moved Harris of that. Or maybe Harris was ****ing with Spencer Turnbull right back at him. Either way, I can assure you that we will not miss Spencer Turnbull.

Spencer Turnbull learned the same lesson that Eduardo Rodriguez did, and that every player who is in the organization now and in the future will now understand completely: no matter how talented you might be, when you **** with Scott Harris, it is a career move.