Deleterious Posted July 16 Author Posted July 16 Looks about right. Detroit is basically treading water. Didn't get better, didn't get worse. Wish they had addressed their needs a bit more, though. Back PG, Backup/starting PF, size/defense/shooting at the 5. Quote
Betrayer Posted July 16 Posted July 16 Close enough, but I'd consider it a slight uptick rather than a slight downtick. Maybe the moves Orlando and Atlanta made results in a net downtick, but I wouldn't say it's a downtick based solely upon the Piston's offseason. Robinson is a slight upgrade on Beasley (bigger, smarter, better handle, better off-ball mover, better FT%, better passer) Lavert is a slight upgrade on Schroeder (bigger, better shooter, more switchable defender, better shot creator) Ivey is an upgrade on THJ (I don't have to explain this) You expect most of these young players to progress in some way, even if it's a small uptick from experience. Most notably, Ausar, who gets a full offseason and can play day 1. I agree though, would've been nice to add a solid vet PG, a PF, and an upgrade on Paul Reed. I'm assuming Trajan wants to see the whole team together fully locked in under JB's system from the day 1 and make moves accordingly during the season with the flexible contracts, trade exception, and all his picks intact. Quote
buddha Posted July 16 Posted July 16 1 hour ago, Betrayer said: Close enough, but I'd consider it a slight uptick rather than a slight downtick. Maybe the moves Orlando and Atlanta made results in a net downtick, but I wouldn't say it's a downtick based solely upon the Piston's offseason. Robinson is a slight upgrade on Beasley (bigger, smarter, better handle, better off-ball mover, better FT%, better passer) Lavert is a slight upgrade on Schroeder (bigger, better shooter, more switchable defender, better shot creator) Ivey is an upgrade on THJ (I don't have to explain this) You expect most of these young players to progress in some way, even if it's a small uptick from experience. Most notably, Ausar, who gets a full offseason and can play day 1. I agree though, would've been nice to add a solid vet PG, a PF, and an upgrade on Paul Reed. I'm assuming Trajan wants to see the whole team together fully locked in under JB's system from the day 1 and make moves accordingly during the season with the flexible contracts, trade exception, and all his picks intact. its going to be hard for robinson to shoot better than beasley did last season. beasley THIS season would have been a downgrade on beasley from last season. that was a fluke. i dont see lavert as an upgrade on shroeder. shroeder fit like a glove as backup ball handler last year after ivey went out and sasser was exposed as being...well...sasser (can we flip him to new orleans for an unprotected first?). ivey is the most obvious upgrade. i still see stewart as playing some backup 4 this year. reed isnt a really viable option for more than a couple minutes a night and holland is too small (although he'll fight with guys bigger than him). Quote
Betrayer Posted July 17 Posted July 17 18 hours ago, buddha said: its going to be hard for robinson to shoot better than beasley did last season. beasley THIS season would have been a downgrade on beasley from last season. that was a fluke. Neither were going to make 300 threes this year because Ivey's return will mean less shots, so that's not even a comparison that matters as you said. Regardless of that, it's an upgrade over Beasley for this coming year because Duncan gives you the same movement shooting and gravity while providing more in the other areas I've already mentioned - much better FT%, more size, better passing, higher IQ, better at moving off-ball, and a more efficient player. They're in the same tier of player, but Duncan is clearly the more complete player and size does matter in the NBA as well. 18 hours ago, buddha said: i dont see lavert as an upgrade on shroeder. shroeder fit like a glove as backup ball handler last year after ivey went out and sasser was exposed as being...well...sasser (can we flip him to new orleans for an unprotected first?). I was so glad when the rumors about Schroeder leaving became reality. The fan base went into that Marvin Bagley and Simone Fontecchio world where they overvalue the contribution of a half-season rental because the alternatives (Sasser) were so bad. Let's be real about what Dennis was. He shot 30% from three and 37% from two, but that didn't stop him from chucking them up there. His eFG was a horrendous 44% and is 47% for his career. He's not a good defender although he flails around a lot to make him look like a try-hard. He's constantly exposed due to being a midget on the court. Not saying Lavert is a world-beater, but he has better size, shooting, defense, efficiency (crazy as that is to say), and shot creation. 18 hours ago, buddha said: i still see stewart as playing some backup 4 this year. reed isnt a really viable option for more than a couple minutes a night and holland is too small (although he'll fight with guys bigger than him). Would've been nice to get a backup 4, but anyone playing the backup PF minutes who isn't Fontecchio is going to be an upgrade, whether that's Holland, Ausar, or Stew. 1 1 Quote
Shinzaki Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Reed is a hard worker...but the Knicks series showed how we need a bench big with some bulk. Once Stew went don we were cooked on the interior Quote
Betrayer Posted July 20 Posted July 20 As our 3rd string vet PG, I'd be fine with it. But Del's right, he really can't be counted on to play a lot so you're still really banking on Ivey becoming a better PG when Cade if off the court. Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 20 Posted July 20 Reduce his minutes significantly... And maybe get more games out of him. Here for vet leadership and 3rd PG, steady, plays defense... I think he'd be a great voice in the ears of all the kids... Oh, and bring him in on a vet minimum... reducing cost/ exposure... Just a guess. Quote
Deleterious Posted July 20 Author Posted July 20 Every team in the league can give him a vet min contract. He isn't picking Detroit over a contender. And we should be happy about that. Quote
Deleterious Posted July 22 Author Posted July 22 Interesting that Spotrac still lists Beasley as a cap hold for Detroit. I just assumed they would have had to renounce him to make their FA moves, but apparently not. That could be big if he is cleared of his gambling charges. Keeping his cap hold means they also keep his early Bird rights and can offer him around $8 million I think. I don't think anyone else could even come close to that. Maybe Brooklyn if they still have cap space. Detroit doesn't really need another guard so it could be for nothing. Although, it does open up the possibility of a sign and trade if another team wanted him. Quote
Deleterious Posted July 23 Author Posted July 23 It really only makes sense if they have a trade worked out that includes Ivey. Even then, Cam Thomas? Really? Are we just forgetting defense is 50% of the game? Also, another guy that can't really stay healthy. Quote
Deleterious Posted Sunday at 07:07 PM Author Posted Sunday at 07:07 PM Reports that Dwane Casey has interviewed for the Raptors president job. Reports also that Kevin Pritchard (Pacers) might or has interviewed. Quote
Deleterious Posted Monday at 12:32 PM Author Posted Monday at 12:32 PM I think this is the star Detroit should be attempting to land. He is exactly who you trade Ivey + Holland + 2-3 first round picks for. 2 Quote
buddha Posted Monday at 05:37 PM Posted Monday at 05:37 PM 5 hours ago, Deleterious said: I think this is the star Detroit should be attempting to land. He is exactly who you trade Ivey + Holland + 2-3 first round picks for. you wont need to give up the equivalent of 5 first round picks for him. nor should you. Quote
Deleterious Posted Monday at 06:28 PM Author Posted Monday at 06:28 PM 37 minutes ago, buddha said: you wont need to give up the equivalent of 5 first round picks for him. nor should you. I think you will, possibly more. A 6'9" wing that can create off the bounce for himself and a little bit for others. Strong shooter and very efficient. His TS% was 59% last year, career avg is 61% which is excellent. He isn't on the defensive level of Thompson, but is still a very good defender that can defend multiple positions. He is just as good as Bane, and he went for about 5 picks. Murphy has more value though because of his superior size. They both also have four years left on their contracts, but Murphy will be making about $10 million per year less each season. He is going to cost a lot, and should. And I would gladly pay it. Quote
1984Echoes Posted Monday at 07:24 PM Posted Monday at 07:24 PM 6 hours ago, Deleterious said: I think this is the star Detroit should be attempting to land. He is exactly who you trade Ivey + Holland + 2-3 first round picks for. Two thumbs up on that. I Concur! Quote
Deleterious Posted 17 hours ago Author Posted 17 hours ago All of Cade's assists last year. The player they went to and the area on the court the shot came from. SMR/LMR are short/long medium range. C3 is corner 3 and AB3 is above the break 3 Quote
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