Trade Ideas - Throw em out there an share your vote - 2025 Deadline

[tiger2022]

JC, do you spend anytime thinking why would another team do some half-ass idiotic trade thrown out there to simply help the Tigers?

I guess trading a guy who has 90 hrs over the last 2 and a half years, who just signed a 5 year deal at only $12 million a year for a guy who played at A ball and who is blocked by rising star Nick Kurtz at 1st, a guy who wouldn't get much playing time in  Perez, a guy who has zero defensive skills and also looks like he can't hit mlb pitching in Jung, and a marginal 19 year old pitcher makes sense.  Sure, why not?

The A's have a nice core in Kurtz, Soderstrom, Wilson, and Rooker.  They just need some pitching and the guys they are getting in return are not going to help them at all.

Edited July 24 by tiger2022

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, casimir said:

Anyone hear Stavenhagen on the Tiger Territory podcast?  He threw out a name that no one has suggested.  Fits the Hinch scheme of things as far as a good semi regular versatile bench piece.   Can play multiple defensive positions, is a switch hitter that does well vs LHPs.  Cheap contract.  Plays within the division, if that’s a concern for a trade.  And when he mentioned it, if you give it a bit of thought, he’s more right about it than you might want to believe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Willi Castro.

I had thought was one of the guys Harris was going to keep, but I think the noise around him and his final level of performance here was too much, same as with Jeimer.

[casimir]

4 hours ago, chasfh said:

I had thought was one of the guys Harris was going to keep, but I think the noise around him and his final level of performance here was too much, same as with Jeimer.

Well, who knows.  Maybe it wouldn’t have worked for him in Detroit.  Maybe part of Castro’s improvement is due to a different environment.  I don’t know if he’s changed his approach at the plate or if his game just suddenly matured or what happened.

[alex]

So the Mariners acquire Josh Naylor. A player that 'could' help make a difference for them. A proven bat. Good work by the GM. They are going for it this year. Now, my question is what did they give up? Two top 50 MLB prospects (according to various baseball pundit outlets)? two top 100 MLB prospects? Not. People think for some reason we would have to give up that for a good rental bat and/or RP? I disagree. What would be equivalent from the Tigers system to both Brandyn Garcia and Ashton Izzi? Seriously... I doubt it is Clark or McMonigle or Rainer or Briceno at all! Try one guy in the top 10 and another maybe another in the 15-20 range. Yes, different teams have different values for the various players. I understand that.

Andrew Vaughn was basically going nowhere for the Chisox. Batting .189 and a .219 OBA. After they traded him to Milwaukee he got hot for a bit. Ten games and 12 RBI with a .395 OBA. Milw continued on a very hot streak and even MLB Network admitted that he came out of nowhere and contributed big time to this. 

I am not saying anyone we get can do this. I am saying we should not have to give up what some people think to get someone to help. It just happened in Seattle!

Again, Harris has done well in most areas - no question. However, IMHO, he needs to step up here as well and try to interject a player or two that might help. Forget theses AAAA types and the Toledo shuffle (or is it shuttle, lol). So I ask, can SHarris get something done to 'potentially' help this team? The team needs a little help. Maybe, just maybe, a small shakeup has to be done. A player or two moved? Is this team too comfortable? What are they going to do for the next 58 games?

Is Harris going to say 'We need a core' (that again) and wait for the next wave of prospects? Point being what difference does it make if he cannot help by acquiring MLB players via trades, players who are proven talents. 

If not, then maybe hire a GM that has that ability. Chris I. can keep Scott on as the CEO with a VERY good salary and extension. I am beginning to think Greenberg should maybe be at Jimmy John's Field perhaps. What is he doing with the Tigers?

Just some venting as this 'streak' continues - yet, I do feel something needs to be done and I am curious if SHarris is the man to get deals done. Does he have that 'knack', that ability? We are here now standings wise. Let's not wait another 10 years with a new front office to start over.

[AlaskanTigersFan]

21 minutes ago, alex said:

So the Mariners acquire Josh Naylor. A player that 'could' help make a difference for them. A proven bat. Good work by the GM. They are going for it this year. Now, my question is what did they give up? Two top 50 MLB prospects (according to various baseball pundit outlets)? two top 100 MLB prospects? Not. People think for some reason we would have to give up that for a good rental bat and/or RP? I disagree. What would be equivalent from the Tigers system to both Brandyn Garcia and Ashton Izzi? Seriously... I doubt it is Clark or McMonigle or Rainer or Briceno at all! Try one guy in the top 10 and another maybe another in the 15-20 range. Yes, different teams have different values for the various players. I understand that.

Andrew Vaughn was basically going nowhere for the Chisox. Batting .189 and a .219 OBA. After they traded him to Milwaukee he got hot for a bit. Ten games and 12 RBI with a .395 OBA. Milw continued on a very hot streak and even MLB Network admitted that he came out of nowhere and contributed big time to this. 

I am not saying anyone we get can do this. I am saying we should not have to give up what some people think to get someone to help. It just happened in Seattle!

Again, Harris has done well in most areas - no question. However, IMHO, he needs to step up here as well and try to interject a player or two that might help. Forget theses AAAA types and the Toledo shuffle (or is it shuttle, lol). So I ask, can SHarris get something done to 'potentially' help this team? The team needs a little help. Maybe, just maybe, a small shakeup has to be done. A player or two moved? Is this team too comfortable? What are they going to do for the next 58 games?

Is Harris going to say 'We need a core' (that again) and wait for the next wave of prospects? Point being what difference does it make if he cannot help by acquiring MLB players via trades, players who are proven talents. 

If not, then maybe hire a GM that has that ability. Chris I. can keep Scott on as the CEO with a VERY good salary and extension. I am beginning to think Greenberg should maybe be at Jimmy John's Field perhaps. What is he doing with the Tigers?

Just some venting as this 'streak' continues - yet, I do feel something needs to be done and I am curious if SHarris is the man to get deals done. Does he have that 'knack', that ability? We are here now standings wise. Let's not wait another 10 years with a new front office to start over.

Big difference between Suarez though and Naylor. I think Suarez will fetch a top 50 prospect as a headline. Looks like the Mariners are targeting him. If a package isn't around Harry Ford or Michael Arroyo, I'll be astonished.

[Tigermojo]

Have fun with this one:

Pirates listening to offers for Oneil Cruz.

[Tenacious D]

If this slide continues, it could impact what they are willing to do.

[AlaskanTigersFan]

Clark and McGonigal for Skenes? 😁🤣😂

[Motor City Sonics]

Max Anderson, Colt Keith, Troy Melton and Joe Montalvo to the Pirates for David Bednar and Andrew Heaney

 

Cris Rodriguez to the Diamondbacks for Eugenio Suarez

 

Thayron Liranzo and another prospect to the Braves for Dylan Lee

Edited July 25 by Motor City Sonics

[LongLiveMaroth]

4 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Max Anderson, Colt Keith, Troy Melton and Joe Montalvo for David Bednar and Andrew Heaney

I'm not sure if you are serious about this but this would be an incredible overpay.

[Motor City Sonics]

15 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Max Anderson, Colt Keith, Troy Melton and Joe Montalvo to the Pirates for David Bednar and Andrew Heaney

 

Cris Rodriguez to the Diamondbacks for Eugenio Suarez

 

Thayron Liranzo and another prospect to the Braves for Dylan Lee

Oh, and Jake Rogers, Daz Cameron and Franklin Perez to the Giants for Justin Verlander too

[chasfh]

12 hours ago, casimir said:

Well, who knows.  Maybe it wouldn’t have worked for him in Detroit.  Maybe part of Castro’s improvement is due to a different environment.  I don’t know if he’s changed his approach at the plate or if his game just suddenly matured or what happened.

Entirely possible, although Willi was quite serviceable in 2022—in fact, better than in 2021, and WAR-positive, even. I wonder whether one of the problems was that he hit .349 during the short season and anything after that was never going to be good enough for the media or the fans here.

[casimir]

28 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Entirely possible, although Willi was quite serviceable in 2022—in fact, better than in 2021, and WAR-positive, even. I wonder whether one of the problems was that he hit .349 during the short season and anything after that was never going to be good enough for the media or the fans here.

Part of the angst against him might simply have been spill over from being part of that era of Tiger malaise.

Personally I don't care about trading within the division.  What do the Twins want for him?  What about Duran, Varland, Coulombe?  Jax?  Stewart?  Lopez is a sizable deal, would they mark down the prospect request to move his salary with one or two of the other RPs?

[AlaskanTigersFan]

2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Max Anderson, Colt Keith, Troy Melton and Joe Montalvo to the Pirates for David Bednar and Andrew Heaney

Cris Rodriguez to the Diamondbacks for Eugenio Suarez

Thayron Liranzo and another prospect to the Braves for Dylan Lee

For the original intent of the thread, I will give my opinion on these (and I hope others will too as well as throw out options they think would work too as that was the intent of this original post).

 

Quote

Max Anderson, Colt Keith, Troy Melton and Joe Montalvo to the Pirates for David Bednar and Andrew Heaney

I think if you removed Colt Keith and put in someone like Lee or Liranzo instead, then I think that's actually pretty close.

 

Quote

Cris Rodriguez to the Diamondbacks for Eugenio Suarez

 I think it will cost Liranzo or Briceno to get Suarez if we were to dip into our prospect pool. (I think he's being out priced what we'd actually pay.) I could see the Yankees giving up one of their top 3 prospects + for him. 

 

Quote

Thayron Liranzo and another prospect to the Braves for Dylan Lee

I would think Liranzo would be the price for him alone. I'd be really surprised but if we did add someone, I think it'd have to be someone waaaaaaaaay down the 

[AlaskanTigersFan]

The Yankees have a new third baseman. They are acquiring Ryan McMahon from the Rockies, reports Mark Feinsand of MLB.com. The Rockies will receive two prospects in return. One of the two prospects is left-hander Griffin Herring, per Jorge Castillo of ESPN. The other is right-hander Josh Grosz, per Bob Nightengale of USA Today.

Two really good arms heading to the Rockies for a decently mediocre player. Suarez is for sure getting a top 50 prospect and more..... Tigers have got to be OUT of the running for him.... Unless they give up Rainer (which most have made abundantly clear they aren't going to do), Suarez ain't coming to the D......

[alex]

18 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

The Yankees have a new third baseman. They are acquiring Ryan McMahon from the Rockies, reports Mark Feinsand of MLB.com. The Rockies will receive two prospects in return. One of the two prospects is left-hander Griffin Herring, per Jorge Castillo of ESPN. The other is right-hander Josh Grosz, per Bob Nightengale of USA Today.

Two really good arms heading to the Rockies for a decently mediocre player. Suarez is for sure getting a top 50 prospect and more..... Tigers have got to be OUT of the running for him.... Unless they give up Rainer (which most have made abundantly clear they aren't going to do), Suarez ain't coming to the D......

Regardless of who gets who, teams are not trading top 100 or let alone top 50 MLB prospects to get a player who may help. For whatever reason, it seems if Detroit is to make a deal for a player (not a mediocre RP, but I am ok with that) that for some reason, WE/Detroit have to give up the farm? That is not going to happen.

My point has been you can get a decent player or two without having to 'gut the farm system (giving up 1 or 2 of your top 5).' Where do people come up with that. My second point is the question, does SHarris have the ability to acquire a MLB player or two that can help? The team can use a 'shot' in the arm. Heck, it cannot hurt at the rate things are going now. The players, the front office, coaching - they ALL need to step up. Then let the chips fall where they may. Anything can happen still (see last year and many other examples). We can move forward or continue to slide backwards just as well. There will also be injuries.

[AlaskanTigersFan]

2 minutes ago, alex said:

Regardless of who gets who, teams are not trading top 100 or let alone top 50 MLB prospects to get a player who may help.

Suarez will cost a team a top 100 prospect. I'll be absolutely astonished if he doesn't.

For the record, I don't think we should trade Clark, McGonigle or Rainer. I think the first two are as close to 100% untouchable as possible. Rainer I'd say is 95% untouchable. I want the Tigers to keep all three. I'd consider these first tier.

If the Tigers were to deal a top prospect, I think Briceno, Liranzo (most likely of all), Lee, Hamm, Anderson and Jung are the biggest trade pieces. I'm not advocating we trade any of these guys either. But if the Tigers want a true upgrade, it will probably cost one or two of these guys (ala Tier 2 type prospects).

Also, I want to add, that I think the Tigers if they were to do a deal, it'd be for multiple players with the same team. Look at what I referenced for the Pirates.....

Tigers get:
Mitch Keller
K'Bryan Hayes
David Bednar
Thomas Harrington

Pirates get:
Rainer
Lirizano
Hamm
Vierling

I honestly think it'd cost something close to that for a package like that. Do I realistically think the Tigers should do it or would do something like that; No. But in terms of prospect capital at this deadline, I think thats pretty close to what it'd take...... I'm legit just talking about value.

Lets say you were the Pirates GM and the owner told you to do a deal with the Tigers. (Work with me on this hypothetical). Would you do that deal if Rainer gets replaced by Briceno? I don't think so..... That's all I'm saying. The value's gonna be steep.

Again, if Suarez doesn't cost a team a top 100 prospect, I'll be absolutely flabbergasted....... I think he will get a top 50 prospect and another decent B level prospect or two as well. But again, just my $0.02. 

I hope the Tigers do something like Max Anderson for a good reliever. Something along those lines. I hope they don't break the bank. But even if they do, I think it'd be more the second tier I listed versus the first.

[Sports_Freak]

9 minutes ago, alex said:

Regardless of who gets who, teams are not trading top 100 or let alone top 50 MLB prospects to get a player who may help. For whatever reason, it seems if Detroit is to make a deal for a player (not a mediocre RP, but I am ok with that) that for some reason, WE/Detroit have to give up the farm? That is not going to happen.

My point has been you can get a decent player or two without having to 'gut the farm system (giving up 1 or 2 of your top 5).' Where do people come up with that. My second point is the question, does SHarris have the ability to acquire a MLB player or two that can help? The team can use a 'shot' in the arm. Heck, it cannot hurt at the rate things are going now. The players, the front office, coaching - they ALL need to step up. Then let the chips fall where they may. Anything can happen still (see last year and many other examples). We can move forward or continue to slide backwards just as well. There will also be injuries.

See last year? Yeah, look at the Twins last year. The Tigers making the playoffs in 2024 wouldn't have happened if the Twins hadn't of fallen off a cliff.

As for acquiring a rental player at the deadline? The Dodgers gave up 2 prospects for 2 months of Flaherty. I'm not sure how highly rated they were but it was still 2 decent prospects. The Tigers needs have been obvious all season,  bullpen arms. I'm not arguing that point at all. But our recent offensive struggles have me wondering if we also need a couple of bats? No use getting bullpen arms if we can't score even 2 runs a game against mediocre pitching.

[4hzglory]

40 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

The Yankees have a new third baseman. They are acquiring Ryan McMahon from the Rockies, reports Mark Feinsand of MLB.com. The Rockies will receive two prospects in return. One of the two prospects is left-hander Griffin Herring, per Jorge Castillo of ESPN. The other is right-hander Josh Grosz, per Bob Nightengale of USA Today.

Two really good arms heading to the Rockies for a decently mediocre player. Suarez is for sure getting a top 50 prospect and more..... Tigers have got to be OUT of the running for him.... Unless they give up Rainer (which most have made abundantly clear they aren't going to do), Suarez ain't coming to the D......

2 really good arms is a stretch.  Herring is doing really well, but both are at high A and have a long way to go.  Melton by himself is likely worth close to as much as both of them combined.  Pipeline has them as 8 and 21 in the Yankees system which is a mid of pack system at best.  And the Yankees get a good defensive 3B who is under control for 2 years.

 

Suarez will get more, but I’d be surprised if he gets a top 100 prospect and I wouldn’t give up our top 5 (including Lorenzo) for any rental.  All the rest are available (however it would take a more proven high K reliever to part with Melton as I believe he can fill that role for us.

[4hzglory]

2 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

Suarez will cost a team a top 100 prospect. I'll be absolutely astonished if he doesn't.

For the record, I don't think we should trade Clark, McGonigle or Rainer. I think the first two are as close to 100% untouchable as possible. Rainer I'd say is 95% untouchable. I want the Tigers to keep all three. I'd consider these first tier.

If the Tigers were to deal a top prospect, I think Briceno, Liranzo (most likely of all), Lee, Hamm, Anderson and Jung are the biggest trade pieces. I'm not advocating we trade any of these guys either. But if the Tigers want a true upgrade, it will probably cost one or two of these guys (ala Tier 2 type prospects).

Also, I want to add, that I think the Tigers if they were to do a deal, it'd be for multiple players with the same team. Look at what I referenced for the Pirates.....

Tigers get:
Mitch Keller
K'Bryan Hayes
David Bednar
Thomas Harrington

Pirates get:
Rainer
Lirizano
Hamm
Vierling

I honestly think it'd cost something close to that for a package like that. Do I realistically think the Tigers should do it or would do something like that; No. But in terms of prospect capital at this deadline, I think thats pretty close to what it'd take...... I'm legit just talking about value.

Lets say you were the Pirates GM and the owner told you to do a deal with the Tigers. (Work with me on this hypothetical). Would you do that deal if Rainer gets replaced by Briceno? I don't think so..... That's all I'm saying. The value's gonna be steep.

Again, if Suarez doesn't cost a team a top 100 prospect, I'll be absolutely flabbergasted....... I think he will get a top 50 prospect and another decent B level prospect or two as well. But again, just my $0.02. 

I hope the Tigers do something like Max Anderson for a good reliever. Something along those lines. I hope they don't break the bank. But even if they do, I think it'd be more the second tier I listed versus the first.

Cody made it clear from his sources that the Tigers have zero interest in Hayes-hallelujah!

[4hzglory]

2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

See last year? Yeah, look at the Twins last year. The Tigers making the playoffs in 2024 wouldn't have happened if the Twins hadn't of fallen off a cliff.

As for acquiring a rental player at the deadline? The Dodgers gave up 2 prospects for 2 months of Flaherty. I'm not sure how highly rated they were but it was still 2 decent prospects. The Tigers needs have been obvious all season,  bullpen arms. I'm not arguing that point at all. But our recent offensive struggles have me wondering if we also need a couple of bats? No use getting bullpen arms if we can't score even 2 runs a game against mediocre pitching.

Neither were top 100 at the time (which is why many pundits thought we didn’t get enough)although Liraanzo was top 150.

[AlaskanTigersFan]

1 minute ago, 4hzglory said:

Cody made it clear from his sources that the Tigers have zero interest in Hayes-hallelujah!

Thats good. I think we need more production there on the offensive side anyway. I would love the defense.

But unless we are trading like Trey Sweeney and a low level, that's about what I'd offer. I'm sure the Pirates want a lot more. But I remember how fun it was watching Jose Iglesias at SS all those years. Would love to see that type of defense again on the left side. 

[Sports_Freak]

1 minute ago, 4hzglory said:

Neither were top 100 at the time (which is why many pundits thought we didn’t get enough)although Liraanzo was top 150.

A lot of fans put a higher value on prospects than teams looking at them do. Most prospects never make the show but there's always that possibility that they might. And be big stars. I remember last season, Baltimore refused to trade any of their young players for pitching. And that did them in at playoff time. The Tigers could trade several of their prospects for players to help them now. But I doubt Harris will, he's a firm believer in building a contender thru the draft and development. But, we'll see. Hopefully he surprises me.

[Sports_Freak]

Our old friend Soto was traded;

[4hzglory]

13 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

A lot of fans put a higher value on prospects than teams looking at them do. Most prospects never make the show but there's always that possibility that they might. And be big stars. I remember last season, Baltimore refused to trade any of their young players for pitching. And that did them in at playoff time. The Tigers could trade several of their prospects for players to help them now. But I doubt Harris will, he's a firm believer in building a contender thru the draft and development. But, we'll see. Hopefully he surprises me.

And I have no problem trading prospects.  I’d definitely include 2 or our top 5 for someone like Gore who would be a difference maker for us for multiple years.  I’d include 1 for Clase or Duran (Twins) who would be affordable difference making closers for multiple years.  Heck, I’d include 3-4 of them for Jose Ramirez 🤪Just not any of them (top 5) for a rental or a starter without high swing and miss.

Edited July 25 by 4hzglory