Red Wings December 2025 Game Threads

[lordstanley]

[slothfacekilla]

I always forget about the new month new thread thing!

[buddha]

much needed regulation win.

[lordstanley]

Apart from Colorado and Dallas at the top and perhaps Calgary and Vancouver at the bottom, doesn’t it seem like the whole league is the mushy middle this year? 

[slothfacekilla]

4 hours ago, lordstanley said:

Apart from Colorado and Dallas at the top and perhaps Calgary and Vancouver at the bottom, doesn’t it seem like the whole league is the mushy middle this year? 

I think it is going to make it tough for trades to be made until way close to the deadline, almost every team thinks they can make the playoffs

[buddha]

4 hours ago, lordstanley said:

Apart from Colorado and Dallas at the top and perhaps Calgary and Vancouver at the bottom, doesn’t it seem like the whole league is the mushy middle this year? 

yeah, which means there likely wont be a huge selloff at the deadline.  and if stars/good players do get moved, its going to cost a TON to do it.

quinn hughes is going to cost multiple #1s plus young players.  i dont know if yzerman makes that kind of deal or if he gets outbid.  anderson or kadri will probably cost multiple picks too.

max did a question on this recently.  he compared it to when karlsson got traded for a top young player (norris), #1 pick, a couple ready nhlers, and a few picks down the road.  if you packaged a #1 pick, a #2 pick, asp, kasper or danielson, and probably another other lower level prospect like lombardi or mazur you could entice them.

then your top 4 is seider-hughes, edvinsson-aljo/chiarot.  you have an elite playmaking norris trophy defenseman who is only 26 and just into his prime to go along with your elite 23 year old stud defensive defenseman who is starting to pick up offense.  that is a stanley cup first pair defense.

it kind of guts your forward depth, but you have a lot of that coming up.  you have yo give something to get something like hughes.

if your core is larkin, seider, raymond, hughes, edvinsson, debrincat, i think you can contend for the division for the remainder of larkin's prime.  you still have either kasper or danielson to be 2C.  your 3rd and 4th lines might suffer a bit, but you'll have a top line that could hang with most of the league.

[slothfacekilla]

I'd make that trade for Hughes if he indicated he'd be interested in re-signing.  Outside of Seider, Raymond and Edvinsson no one is untouchable to me (though if you want to compete you would add larkin and debrincat into that equation).  I like our prospects but the NHL club needs help now.

[buddha]

2 hours ago, slothfacekilla said:

I'd make that trade for Hughes if he indicated he'd be interested in re-signing.  Outside of Seider, Raymond and Edvinsson no one is untouchable to me (though if you want to compete you would add larkin and debrincat into that equation).  I like our prospects but the NHL club needs help now.

whomever trades for hughes will have worked out the extension beforehand, imo.

[buddha]

mo seider for norris.

 

[buddha]

from prashanth:

"Without Moritz Seider on the ice at 5v5, the Wings have a 5v5 goal differential of -27. Minus. Twenty. Seven. It’s the worst 5v5 differential removing a single player from a team across the league. A -27 goal differential would be the worst goal differential in the NHL at all situations, not just 5v5. Over the course of a full season that would amount to a -76 5v5 goal differential without Seider. Arguably the worst team of the last 20 years, the 2019-2020 Red Wings, finished with a -75 5v5 goal differential. That’s how bad the Red Wings are at 5v5 without Seider. "

he still has the hardest assignments in the league.  and now he's started to add offensive playmaking to his repoiretoire.  he's making the case to be a top ten player in the nhl.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

from prashanth:

"Without Moritz Seider on the ice at 5v5, the Wings have a 5v5 goal differential of -27. Minus. Twenty. Seven. It’s the worst 5v5 differential removing a single player from a team across the league. A -27 goal differential would be the worst goal differential in the NHL at all situations, not just 5v5. Over the course of a full season that would amount to a -76 5v5 goal differential without Seider. Arguably the worst team of the last 20 years, the 2019-2020 Red Wings, finished with a -75 5v5 goal differential. That’s how bad the Red Wings are at 5v5 without Seider. "

he still has the hardest assignments in the league.  and now he's started to add offensive playmaking to his repoiretoire.  he's making the case to be a top ten player in the nhl.

Not to take anything at all from Sieder, but by pairing him with Edvinsson, McLellan has guaranteed the imbalance between the 1st pairing and the rest would grow larger this season. But if playing them together is the only way to give them both the freedom and trust in their partner to play 200 ft then so be it.

[slothfacekilla]

 

I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up.....

[gehringer_2]

8 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

 

I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up, I'm not going to get my hopes up.....

I have hard time envisioning the Wings being able to land a player at Hughes level without giving up enough to gut some other aspect of the team. You have to have some player capital to spare to make a trade like that. The Wings have some players that could draw Hughes, but they don't have the depth to replace those players if you give them up - so how does it get you anywhere? Look at Toronto for how far star players on bad teams gets you.

Still I wouldn't be surprised - Yzerman always talks about  wanting a superstar - how do we get a superstar - it's hard to get a superstar. It's definitely at the top of his list.

[buddha]

this could be another debrincat situation.  in that the player wants to come to detroit because that's where he's from.

[buddha]

4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I have hard time envisioning the Wings being able to land a player at Hughes level without giving up enough to gut some other aspect of the team. You have to have some player capital to spare to make a trade like that. The Wings have some players that could draw Hughes, but they don't have the depth to replace those players if you give them up - so how does it get you anywhere? Look at Toronto for how far star players on bad teams gets you.

Still I wouldn't be surprised - Yzerman always talks about  wanting a superstar - how do we get a superstar - it's hard to get a superstar. It's definitely at the top of his list.

toronto's plan was so horrible they were the best team in the regular season multiple years in a row.  i'd take that.

detroit has been missing star skill level players.  hughes is that type of player.  in his prime and one the same window as seider/raymond.

if that requires giving up asp and some picks, so be it.  depth players are not the issue for detroit's future.  they have plenty of those in the pipeline.

[gehringer_2]

Just now, buddha said:

toronto's plan was so horrible they were the best team in the regular season multiple years in a row.

they were eventually but they had had Matthews for 5 years before they got past the 1st round. My point being that it's still a team sport. You win across all 20 players. Now I think it is true that a great Dman is worth more than a great front line player in terms of team building just because he is on the ice a third more of the time and Sieder/Hughes/Edvinsson could potentially be a blue line for the ages. You would need a coach that could get out of the traditional boxes to coach that combo though.

[gehringer_2]

The only thing  I would caution is that we shouldn't think that bringing in Huges solves all their goals against problems because when I watch the Wings - what I see mostly is poor play by their wingers inside the defensive zone - there is only so much two guys can do 2 on 5, which is what it often looks like when a team is pressing the Wings.

Edited yesterday at 04:14 PM by gehringer_2

[slothfacekilla]

I think adding Hughes would be worth losing ASP + one of Danielson/Kasper and say someone like Rasmussen as far as NHL depth goes.  That plus a first round pick is still worth it to me.  If they want say, Finnie instead of Rasmussen I'd pause a little bit.  But the Wings desperately need an infusion of high end skill.

 

[gehringer_2]

33 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

I think adding Hughes would be worth losing ASP + one of Danielson/Kasper and say someone like Rasmussen as far as NHL depth goes.  That plus a first round pick is still worth it to me.  If they want say, Finnie instead of Rasmussen I'd pause a little bit.  But the Wings desperately need an infusion of high end skill.

 

Hughes for ASP/Kasper plus picks and a bag of pucks (i.e. Rasmussen), I'm all in -- if that's possible. Add Danielson or Finnie it's getting to be a tougher call. Esp Danielson because we don't know what we have yet.

Edited yesterday at 04:53 PM by gehringer_2

[slothfacekilla]

10 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Hughes for ASP/Kasper plus picks and a bag of pucks (i.e. Rasmussen), I'm all in -- if that's possible. Add Danielson or Finnie it's getting to be a tougher call. Esp Danielson because we don't know what we have yet.

It's a shame Kasper is having such a rough season.  I think I read that the Vancouver front office liked Danielson his draft year so I imagine it would have to be him in a trade.

[buddha]

asp/danielson/ras plus a first and second is what i would expect to give up.

some other team may beat that.  or not if they know hughes only wants detroit.

[lordstanley]

Wings would move into 1st in the Atlantic with a win in Vancouver tonight. I’m not in attendance, am out of town. Wings lead 1-0 late in the 2nd on a JVR goal. 

[1984Echoes]

19 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

Wings would move into 1st in the Atlantic with a win in Vancouver tonight. I’m not in attendance, am out of town. Wings lead 1-0 late in the 2nd on a JVR goal. 

3-0 at the end of 2.

JVR, Danielson and Copp scored...

NOT the usual suspects (I mean, JVR lately, yeah... but those 3 as a combo scoring those goals... hmmm).

And Chiarot and ASP are +3...

WTF?!?!?!

(said with a smile on my face of course...)

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by 1984Echoes

[lordstanley]

7 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

3-0 at the end of 2.

JVR, Danielson and Copp scored...

NOT the usual suspects (I mean, JVR lately, yeah... but those 3 as a combo scoring those goals... hmmm).

And Chiarot and ASP are +3...

WTF?!?!?!

(said with a smile on my face of course...)

 

 

The Canucks might be the worst team in the NHL. Let’s hope they don’t make me eat my words in the 3rd. 

[1984Echoes]

3 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

The Canucks might be the worst team in the NHL. Let’s hope they don’t make me eat my words in the 3rd. 

No wonder Larkin Raymond Finnie and Seider & Edvinsson are just chilling out tonight!

"Let the other guys bask in the limelight a little!"

"Let's just chill and let them have their fun instead!"

"We can coast for once!"