Ivey traded to Chicago for Kevin Huerter and Dario Saric

[Deleterious]

Just looked it up, and this makes me cry.  On 3PTA's where there is no defender within 6 feet of the shooter, Huerter is only shooting 32% for the season.  That isn't a guy who plays on a bad team not getting good looks.  That is a guy with a shooting problem.  

[Deleterious]

 

[1984Echoes]

Can they fit Saric's PRO-rated contract into the BAE?

Or does that not matter (the BAE ALSO pro-rated...)?

[Deleterious]

7 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Can they fit Saric's PRO-rated contract into the BAE?

Or does that not matter (the BAE ALSO pro-rated...)?

Trades use the seasons full salary.  Saric makes $5.4 million and the BAE is $5.1 million.

[1984Echoes]

So no pro-rating of any kind means he doesn't fit.

Thank you.

[Longgone]

20 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Just looked it up, and this makes me cry.  On 3PTA's where there is no defender within 6 feet of the shooter, Huerter is only shooting 32% for the season.  That isn't a guy who plays on a bad team not getting good looks.  That is a guy with a shooting problem.  

I think he's been plagued by some nagging injuries, if/when healthy I believe he'll be fine.

[Hongbit]

I wouldn’t mind seeing them release Daniss today and sign Lonzo Ball (if healthy).   He can’t shoot either but he’s a better backup PG option.  

[buddha]

2 hours ago, Longgone said:

I think he's been plagued by some nagging injuries, if/when healthy I believe he'll be fine.

his 3 point shooting has declined for 3 years now.  it might just be he's slowing down and isnt as good anymore.

he's still an upgrade on ivey for this year and he gets ivey's cap hold off their books.

[Longgone]

2 minutes ago, buddha said:

his 3 point shooting has declined for 3 years now.  it might just be he's slowing down and isnt as good anymore.

he's still an upgrade on ivey for this year and he gets ivey's cap hold off their books.

I think if you look at his injury history, his shooting declined in correlation with trying to play through the injuries, back issues this year, shoulder issues, including surgery, previously. Hopefully the Pistons are up to speed on recovery prognosis.

[RatkoVarda]

Sexton ended up in Chicago, probably not a guy they are interested in re-signing. Would have greatly preferred to add Sexton to give Cade some ball handing relief, than wish-casting that Huerter is going to find his stroke.

[buddha]

29 minutes ago, Longgone said:

I think if you look at his injury history, his shooting declined in correlation with trying to play through the injuries, back issues this year, shoulder issues, including surgery, previously. Hopefully the Pistons are up to speed on recovery prognosis.

hopefully.  the injuries might be a sign of decline.

regardless, loke you said, if he can find his stroke again, he'll be good for them.  And heurter finding his stroke is more likely to occur than thinking someone who never had a stroke (like holland or ausar) will suddenly develop one.

[1984Echoes]

59 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

... greatly preferred to add Sexton to give Cade some ball handing relief...

This is still a need that must be addressed.

IMO.

[Betrayer]

Bottom line, this trade wasn't about Huerter. It was about moving Jaden Ivey. He clearly wasn't happy, he never improved in the areas that matter (defense, finishing, turnovers), there was no room for him to develop here, they weren't going to give him the money he wanted this offseason, and he had a 30M dollar cap hold that would have hurt the team's flexibility in the offseason. There was obviously no trade market for him, so they go what they could get before this stretched into the offseason.

That said, Huerter is a better player than Jaden Ivey. It's marginal, but he is. Better finisher inside the arc, better career 3pt shooter, better playmaker, and a better defender. He's also an expiring contract, which is better for the team this offseason.

They also have the potential to move from 29 to 22 in a good draft. That's actually a significant jump whether you're drafting cheap talent or using the pick as an asset in a trade.

I'm disappointed they didn't trade him sooner to get more out of it, but let's be realistic. Jaden's injuries complicated the trade situation big time and every team in the league was seeing the same thing we were seeing every time Jaden stepped on the court.