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1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said:

Would you trade any of those players for a championship?

Not for any rental.  As I said, With Minnesota I would have included any but McGonigle for Joe Ryan and any but McGonigle and Clark (ideally not Rainer) for Duran.

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9 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I hope 2025 is not peak peak Tigers, but if they fail this year and then lose Skubal and Mize, there is a very good it will take a couple more years to get back to that level.  

Losing Skubal for a draft pick would break my heart. Getting a decent haul for him would make it easier but it would still hurt. Losing Mize would bum me out a bit but I like him more than some fans do. But when it comes to trading Skubal or Mize? Sorry, but I don't have much faith in Harris. I really hope he surprises me if either (or both) of those guys have to be dealt.

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3 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

Not for any rental.  As I said, With Minnesota I would have included any but McGonigle for Joe Ryan and any but McGonigle and Clark (ideally not Rainer) for Duran.

I dont think there's a player on the Tigers I wouldn't trade for a championship. Seriously. 

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16 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

Exactly, and as you so well posted at the time, the decline in August/September were all the non-Harris hitters.  The Harris acquired hitters actually stayed basically the same. 

Hey you remembered! Thanks!

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If you could guarantee a championship, I guess you have to do it, but it would be more fun seeing them win a championship with McGonigle, Clark, etc, than with Suarez.  

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9 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

I dont think there's a player on the Tigers I wouldn't trade for a championship. Seriously. 

If it was guaranteed, but as Lee said, there are no guaranteed championships and there was no one at last years deadline that would have accomplished that IMO.   

The Dodgers are too stacked to give up the farm for any rental for the hope of getting over the top.  Someone who can help for multiple years, I'm definitely in.  I've already said Ryan and Duran, but I also wanted Bednar and Griffin Jax and would have been willing to give up top prospects (not McGonigle/Clark/Rainer) for them.  

The way we were, we were as close to the ALCS as you could be (and Seattle struggled with their hitting as much as we did).  

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1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

If you could guarantee a championship, I guess you have to do it, but it would be more fun seeing them win a championship with McGonigle, Clark, etc, than with Suarez.  

100% and it would be more sustainable to compete for years to come.

If you had to ask, would it be more fun to have 1 guaranteed championship and 9 middling/non competitive seasons, or 10 competitive seasons with a realistic chance (5-10%) to win a championship or more, but 90% odds that you wouldn't win any, I take the 10 competitive seasons.  Sure the one championship is great, and if the opportunity is there for the right player, make any trade to get it, but I didn't see the right offensive player at all last season (or this offseason).

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6 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

100% and it would be more sustainable to compete for years to come.

If you had to ask, would it be more fun to have 1 guaranteed championship and 9 middling/non competitive seasons, or 10 competitive seasons with a realistic chance (5-10%) to win a championship or more, but 90% odds that you wouldn't win any, I take the 10 competitive seasons.  Sure the one championship is great, and if the opportunity is there for the right player, make any trade to get it, but I didn't see the right offensive player at all last season (or this offseason).

I wouldn't trade the 1984 Tiger Championship for any player we dealt to build that team. The final pieces of Willie and Bergman were acquired at the end of spring training. Without those 2, we prolly dont win it all. Its what I mean by building from within and using the trade market for what may be the final pieces. We were really, really close last season...I hope we get to that position again.

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2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

I wouldn't trade the 1984 Tiger Championship for any player we dealt to build that team. The final pieces of Willie and Bergman were acquired at the end of spring training. Without those 2, we prolly dont win it all. Its what I mean by building from within and using the trade market for what may be the final pieces. We were really, really close last season...I hope we get to that position again.

I wouldn't either, but they weren't at the expense of trading anyone who had great expectation of being a key cog in the future for a rental.  I do the Alexander/Smoltz trade 100 times out of 100 also.  We got more than we could have expected out of Alexander.

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If any combination of Lee/Alexander/Jung/Hamm/Montilla/Hall/Peck (I think you get what I'm saying) would have brought in a solid rental hitter last year, I would have had no issue with it.  I'd probably been ok if they got Suarez for something like that even though I was pretty sure he'd regress and didn't think he was the best fit for the team for the reasons discussed before.  There was no way I was trading a top 100 prospect, or a pitcher we needed for the same playoff push to acquire him, or any of the other traded bats.

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