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I'll never forget the winter meetings when the Tiger signed Phillips.  It was right when ESPN got MLB and they covered it a lot more.  They were talking to Peter Gammons and he said the Tigers just signed him and to watch out for that, he's going to be a good player for them.  He was very high on it.  At that time I thought of Phillips as just a utility guy on the A's. Nothing special.

 

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12 minutes ago, oblong said:

I'll never forget the winter meetings when the Tiger signed Phillips.  It was right when ESPN got MLB and they covered it a lot more.  They were talking to Peter Gammons and he said the Tigers just signed him and to watch out for that, he's going to be a good player for them.  He was very high on it.  At that time I thought of Phillips as just a utility guy on the A's. Nothing special.

 

I was at school living in a dorm with no tv and very poor radio reception.  I was talking to my father on the phone and he told me what Gammons had said about Phillips.  They also signed Moseby that same week.  I knew they would both starting for the Tigers, but I had no idea how good Phillips would be.

They also signed Fielder later in the off-season.  The next year they traded for Tettleton.  That was an amazing group of acquisitions in a short time.  Too bad they had no pitching.  

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9 minutes ago, NorthWoods said:

I'll admit that Phillips never occured to me.   I'd have bet on Cecil.

 

Phillips was overshadowed by Fielder, but Phillips was a better player.  After Fielder's first year with the Tigers, Bill James said he was overrated - just a big fat guy that hit homers and struck out a lot and he'd never repeat his 1990 season.  That made me angry at the time, but it turned out to be right. Tettleton was better too (although not a free agent)  

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35 minutes ago, oblong said:

I'll never forget the winter meetings when the Tiger signed Phillips.  It was right when ESPN got MLB and they covered it a lot more.  They were talking to Peter Gammons and he said the Tigers just signed him and to watch out for that, he's going to be a good player for them.  He was very high on it.  At that time I thought of Phillips as just a utility guy on the A's. Nothing special.

 

He kind of was "just a utility guy" for the A's. One excellent season, another really good, several pretty decent seasons by WAR, but mostly the the glove and less by the bat. Once he got to Detroit he turned that around to become a really good bat with a sturdy glove.

Fun fact: Tony Phillips had, by a long shot, the highest WAR of any player who played his entire career in the All-Star era and never played in the game itself. Kirk Gibson was second, and Reference has their career WARs as being more than 12 apart!

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5 minutes ago, chasfh said:

He kind of was "just a utility guy" for the A's. One excellent season, another really good, several pretty decent seasons by WAR, but mostly the the glove and less by the bat. Once he got to Detroit he turned that around to become a really good bat with a sturdy glove.

Fun fact: Tony Phillips had, by a long shot, the highest WAR of any player who played his entire career in the All-Star era and never played in the game itself. Kirk Gibson was second, and Reference has their career WARs as being more than 12 apart!

The Phillips/Tettleton/Fielder era was when I was really starting to get into sabermetrics and I saw how underrated Phillips and Tettleton were compared to Fielder.  Nobody cared about Phillps's on base skills or defensive versatilty.  He should have been playing today. 

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1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

The Phillips/Tettleton/Fielder era was when I was really starting to get into sabermetrics and I saw how underrated Phillips and Tettleton were compared to Fielder.  Nobody cared about Phillps's on base skills or defensive versatilty.  He should have been playing today. 

And Fielder got the credit for all the runs being scored... he and Tettleton for his HR's, but it was the on base skills that did that.  It was Fryman and Phillips and Tettleton, not for his HR's but his walks.

 

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1 minute ago, oblong said:

And Fielder got the credit for all the runs being scored... he and Tettleton for his HR's, but it was the on base skills that did that.  It was Fryman and Phillips and Tettleton, not for his HR's but his walks.

 

Right, Fielder was a good home run hitter, but he got more credit than he should have for all his RBI.  Whitaker and Phillips were on base all the time.  

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it's obviously Fernando Vina

My friend went to Rodriguez's pizza place in PR a few weeks ago and was mad that there was nothing about the Tiger.  The Rangers and Marlins were represented.

 

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38 minutes ago, oblong said:

it's obviously Fernando Vina

My friend went to Rodriguez's pizza place in PR a few weeks ago and was mad that there was nothing about the Tiger.  The Rangers and Marlins were represented.

 

That does not surprise.  He performed well for the first three years, but I never got the impression that he really liked playing for the Tigers.  He seemed to be disrespectful of Trammell which definitely turned me off.  I don't like to say this about players, but he appeared to quit on the team at times.

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56 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

That does not surprise.  He performed well for the first three years, but I never got the impression that he really liked playing for the Tigers.  He seemed to be disrespectful of Trammell which definitely turned me off.  I don't like to say this about players, but he appeared to quit on the team at times.

Right.  Me too.  As it was, we had to offer 4 years, plus an optional 5th, when he wasn't getting 2 from anybody else.  He supposedly wanted to leave the team to see his GF, Tram said no, so he tried to fight him.  Sorry dude.... 

 

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Not for nothing, the reason Pudge signed with the Tigers in the first place was that we were the only team that met his very public demand of a 4/40 minimum contract. It’s not as though he chose Detroit, which had just lost 119 games, over any number of teams competing for his services.

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