RedRamage

I don't think it's fair to say that that game led to Patricia. I mean EVERYONE knew that Quinn wanted to bring in Patricia. That game might have been the excusing, but the decision to hire Patricia was made before the ink was dry on Quinn's contract.

I don't want to be "overreaction" guy, but... do any of these guys really strike you a solid pieces to build around? Baez? No. Carpenter? Maybe. Dingler? Probably yes. He's a good catcher and provides enough offense to be a core player. Greene? Probably yes, but man he's streaky as all get out. Ibanez? No. Jones? No. Jung? Not right now, no. I mean he might turn it around but right now he's not getting it done. Keith? Maybe. Malloy? No. McKinstry? No. He's a good utility guy and had a career year, but he's not a core player. Meadows? Too early to tell, but he had an awful year, so not someone I'm counting on. Perez? I dunno, Maybe? Rogers? No. Too old to be a "build around guy," plus not great offensively. Good back up. Sweeny? No. Torres? No. Torkelson? Not really, no. Vierling? Maybe... if he can stay healthy? 17 position players and I only have two that I'd say I'd be comfortable with their production from this year moving forward... and one of those is as much about his defense as it is his offense, while the other is so streaky that Windex turns around and runs away whenever it seems him. 4 Maybes... and 11 nos. Now, it's certainly possible that some of those nos still figure it out. Many of them are still in their mid 20s so there's a bit of time yet... but goodness I just don't have faith right now that many of them will figure it out, I just don't.

Too bad we couldn't have matched up last years second half with this years first half.

Bah! I don't need reality. I want to be the old man yelling at the clouds. But also, a foot and a half outside and swing at it isn't much better.

Baez swinging at a pitch three feet outside? Wow... never seen that before.

Mize out now? Why do early?

I don't know that he was safe, but I do know there wasn't clear evidence to overturn what was called. The right hand might have touched the bag (before the tag), might not have. Really, really hard to tell looking at the camera angles we saw. Without clear evidence it should have stood as called.

How in the world do they overturn that? There was no clear evidence there in my humble opinion.

I dunno... I mean he's a decent QB and all, but his passer rating and accuracy are complete garbage when the opposing teams defense has their arms wrapped about him and are pulling him to the ground.

Climatic may be the wrong word... satisfying isn't really the word either because in a "normal" game one fan base is obviously going to be unsatisfied. I dunno... I guess the point I'm trying to make is that games that end in ties generally aren't fun/climatic/satisfying/[insert appropriate word here], but that's okay. In an ideal world I'd love to see NFL games just extended by 10 minutes as often as necessary until it ends with one team having more points. But this isn't realistic given type of game involved. And if the only reasonable way to avoid ties to convoluted weird stuff that doesn't feel like regular football, I'm perfectly find with a tie.

During the attempt to not injure himself, Swift probably injured himself.

Nope, but you seem to think that I think that the ending HAS to be climatic. It doesn't. I've already said that.

Here's one of those weird trivia question: The Lions have had 29 different people leading them as HC in games (this include intern head coaches and Robert Prince, who was temporary HC for one game because of Covid quarantine from other coaches). Of those 29 coaches, what percentage would you guess had the last name Clark?

We're starting to get down an argument of semantics. I didn't watch the game itself, but from what I've read it absolutely was entertaining, so I agree with you there. Something can be entertaining with an anti-climatic ending... which I guess is what I was trying to get at. Ties are anti-climatic by nature. Fans, generally, want one team or the other to win. But the 70 minutes between the start and the anti-climatic ending can be entertaining. So no need to device (imho) non-entertaining football to ensure that the rare anti-climatic ending doesn't happen.

I don't love ties in the NFL, but I also don't want a bunch of "non-football rules" put in places to try and avoid them... like I don't want each team to start at the 20 and need to score and need to go for two points or whatever. So I get what you're saying here about not adding stupid rules. That said, I think a tie is very anti-climatic. Not one wants a tie, no one is rooting for a game to end in a tie. Ties just feel weird and unfulfilling. But that's okay. It's alright that it can have an unfulfilling feeling. They're rare enough that I don't think we need to jump through hoops to avoid them, and the NFL has a way to deal with it in the standings, so that's not a problem either. Ties are unfulfilling, and that's okay.

I feel like someone went to an artist that specialized in making unicorns and said: "Hey, I love your unicorns! Can you make a Lions logo?" The artist was like: "Umm... I dunno, that's not really my thing." Client: "Here's $200" Artist: "Ok, sure!"

Searching for new wallpaper for my computer this morning and found this... WTF?

I heard someone once say that fans of mediocre teams are the ones who really life and die with the wins and losses of their teams, and I think that's pretty accurate. If your team is bad... well, who cares if they lose? It's to be expected. And if they win? Well, that's a fluke, not a sign of sudden turn around. If you're team is good, then wins are to be expected and losses can be tolerated because they're rare and you know your team will bounce back. It's only when your team is in the middle that each win or loss can mean the start of a trend and therefore has much more meaning. I ran @Sports_Freak's comments through ChatGPT and it said there's a 97.3% certainty that they were sarcastic.

After yesterday's win, Dan Campbell now as a W/L/T record of: 41/29/1... which is good for a 58.45% winning percentage. In terms of total wins Campbell is 7th all time in Detroit Lions History: Campbell needs just three more wins to move into 5th place, 7 more (very much doable this season) will put him in the top 4. As for winning percentage, Campbell is already top 4: In case anyone is curious, there have been 21 head coaches in Detroit Lions history if you count Potsy Clark only once and you include Robert Prince. Potsy had two different stints as Lions Head Coach: From 1931-1936, and then again in 1940. Robert Prince coached only one game as the Lions Head Coach. He served as acting Head Coach in 2020 due to interim head coach Darrell Bevell (among other Lions coaching staff members) being in quarantine because of COVID exposure. The Lions lost that game, meaning Prince as a winning percentage of 0.00%. Sadly, he's not the only Lions head coach with that record. John Karcis was hired by the Lions as a backfield coach under Bill Edwards in 1942, and was elevated to head coach after the Lions lost their first three games of the season. Owner Mandel fired Edwards and two of his assistants, and named Karcis Head Coach. Karcis would lose all remaining 8 games in that season.

Grok is wrong.

My thing is to do my utmost to leave the emotions in the game itself... especially when they lose. I have a distinct memory a handful of years ago, after yet another Lions loss, of thinking: "Wait, if the Lions had won... would I be super giddy excited and feel like my whole week was made? No? Then why am I letting a lose make me ultra grumpy and pissed off and taking it out on my family?" So now I let myself feel whatever emotion I want during the game, but then when the game is over I remind myself that a loss means nothing real and tangible to my life.

Some of it can be explained as emotions in the moment. I don't usually post much during the game, but I'm certainly shouted stuff at my TV as I'm sure we all have. I've always hijacked the Las Vegas catchphrase: "What's said during the game stays as 'during the game.'" That said, it is possible to go a little too far in a gameday thread.

Now that's a nickname I might be able to get behind.

I noticed that as well. I think a lot more of this stuff happens that the average fans doesn't really pick up on. I only noticed this because it happened like three or fours times in short order before the 4th down play.