Not exactly sure where to load this. Full disclosure, it's one of my wife's current projects. It's part of a series of events promoting bipartisanship in politics or "how to argue better"
This is from the Western Governor's Conference that's going on this week. Judy Woodruff with a panel of current and former governors from the mostly square states.
To be honest it got off to a shaky start, but if you fast forward to about 43 minutes in, past the welcoming remarks and Judy's intro and small talk you may find some sane politicians