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3 hours ago, Longgone said:

Players with a lot a swing and miss tend to be streaky.

Which is why I believe Harris targets players who are NOT huge swing and miss... 

To avoid those cold as Antartica streaks...

1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

...  I’d lump Lee with Jung, Keith... McGonigle, 

And Max Anderson.

2 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

I don’t want Clark or McGonigle dealt.  I think they were both built for Comerica and are going to be special.  Right behind them is Briceno, but apparently there might be some flaws in his game.  A clear cut defensive position is certainly one.

Anyone else can be had—and our top 10-15 prospects are not fodder.  We have depth we can trade from without compromising any sustained future success.

This would be my belief as well.

Question:

What would it cost to get Aroldis Chapman?

Second question:

Harris finds a cost he is OK with in a trade for: Paul Skenes? Joe Ryan? Or Jacob DeGrom? And what is the cost?

5 hours ago, Edman85 said:

He has an option and is with a team he can get a chance to contribute right now! No need to release him. Hang on to depth just in case the whole infield gets hurt in the ALCS or something.

Plus if Jung or Anderson or Lee is moved for reliever help at the deadline Ibanez is the backup plan B.

Errr... Plan J?

Well that would create some difficulty...

3 hours ago, Deleterious said:

I like the idea of adding Alvarado, but the Pelicans can't really trade him right now.  Murray ruptured his Achilles at the end of January, so he is basically out all of this coming season.  That leaves Alvarado and Fears as their two PG's and Fears is a rookie...

Or they could REALLY want to tank this year and run out Sasser and Fears as their PG's.

Just a thought...

I don't know...

Sasser is not worth much if Alvarado is a better PG (both defensive and play-making and assist-to-turnover ratio) and Chaz Lanier turns out to be a better SG/ 3-pt shooter... which I think he is. Or will be...

Holland becomes superfluous with Herb Jones.

So I think we're trading extra parts... IMO.

The first rounder hopefully for the next several years will be in the 20's... so, hopefully, no lottery protection required.

And 2nd rounders are "fungible".

The biggest bet is on Alvarado being good enough as the backup PG. 

I don't think we could ask/get a backup big in the deal (sure, I would love to add Missi... and give them Paul Reed!!!)

But I don't think that's happening.

There might be some overpay in there... but I don't think it's huge.

PS: I'll take a big swing at that...

Detroit sends Ron Holland, Marcus Sasser, unprotected 1st and two 2nds to the Pelicans for:

Pelicans send Jose Alvarado and Herb Jones to Detroit.

11 hours ago, Deleterious said:

... Herb Jones is a guy I would target.  6'8" and could back up both SF/PF positions.  Offense isn't much...  I would give up a heavily protected 1st to land him.  Lottery protected next year and 2027.  Turns into two 2nd round picks in 2028 if it didn't already convey.  

I would be all over trying to get Herb Jones. Add in Ron Holland to this trade package.

Jones is the best version of what we could hope Holland turns into. And I'd take that bet on Jones' offensive potential...

PS: Is NO interested in getting cap savings at all? Change your lottery-protected pick into NOT lottery-protected OR into three 2nds... They would be a definite YES on the 1st rounder + Holland? WE would prefer Holland + three 2nds... Does Holland + three 2nds get a yes from the Pelicans?

1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said:

ESPN today...

I'm surprised this only has two laughs and not 25...

That looks like 7 utility IF'ers between Lee, Jung, Cruz, Navigato, Kreidler, Workman and Ibanez.

I'm assuming Anderson to Toledo would be the priority guy and get most of his starts at 2B (unless they want to try him also at 1B?)

It still looks like a utility guy or two would need to go to Detroit, or Erie... or somewhere. Even with playing Workman and Kreidler in the OF quite a bit (I think Cruz also has been played quite a bit in the OF this year and last year IIRC...).

What does everyone else think...?

11 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

They pulled Montero after six innings even though he’d only thrown 68 pitches so my assumption is that when he gets very far into the third time through the batting order that he gets hit a lot harder I’m just guessing and I don’t know how to look this up. 

Montero (on ESPN under "Splits"):

1st time through order .699 OPS

2nd time through order .855 OPS

3rd time through order .910 OPS

But I think his biggest problem is consistency... when he's having control problems or 1 of his 2 good pitches aren't working, he's terrible. When everything is working and he's hitting the strike zone...

He pitches gems...

Just an observation.

2 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Keith kinda quietly turning the corner offensively albeit without a ton of HR power. Coming into today OPS+ up to 111 and has an .860 OPS the past 30 days. 

Specifically:

From April 30th through today:

.302 BA, .895 OPS, 7 HR's in 185 PA's. And 14 doubles and 2 triples.

Not huge power. But enough.

5 hours ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

... Trying to find AB's for Jung, Lee and Anderson should be interesting. Wonder if one of them ...

Just a WAG...

But I think Anderson would be called up to Toledo once one of Jung, Lee or Cruz gets called up to Detroit.

Probably based on the call up being for at least a week as I don't see bouncing Anderson up and down from Erie to Toledo... And I don't know if "rest of season" comes into play for one of those three (and Anderson by extension) unless there's a season-ending injury... knock on wood.

Toledo still has Ibanez/ Navigato/ Workman on the team - not priority prospects - so maybe the alternative path is to move Ibanez and Navigato somewhere so a timeshare (add in DH) will open up enough time for Anderson?

If nothing else... per your suggestion... who wants to grab a 1B glove?

And that could just as easily be Anderson as Jung or Lee. In fact, I'd choose Jung and Anderson for trying that...

15 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

Remind me again when Jose Ramirez is planning to retire?

Not Soon Enough.

2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Adam Wainwright doesn't shut up.

He wants to talk only baseball...

Jason started laughing about the VERY LOUD voice of the plate umpire right at the start of the game... Adam joked once about it but within 10 seconds said: "We actually have a baseball game going on here..."

So I think he already knew Jason's reputation... and made a move to cut him off before Jason wandered off-(game)-topic too far...

Adam wants to... talk baseball.

Actually... they're holding Fox mikes...

And I have Detroit's TV feed so Bennetti...

1 hour ago, IdahoBert said:

From what I can tell, I can however watch this where I live in Idaho on my mlb.tv account.

But on my YouTube TV account, I don’t get to watch this game and would be forced to watch the Astros play the Dodgers.  

I've got Prime and this game is an MLB free game...

12 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

 

"The floods? It's shocking. They don't know the answer yet as to..."

Horshack: "OH!!! OH!!! OH!!! I know the ANSWER!!! It was some brainless ****scum that slashed US weather tracking and warning systems! Oh WAIT!!! That was YOU!!!"

I'm shorting Tesla by a lot.

4 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

That doesn’t make sense.  Finally contributing and affordable and provides much needed 30 HR power from the RH side?  And no replacement in sight?

I think he’s OK

That was more of a "hot take" than anything...

He's not in imminent danger and I don't view my hot take as an absolute...

The "Ice Age" cold streaks are annoying... What if the Braves decided to trade us Austin Riley and wanted Tork plus Jung plus Montero? Don't laugh... It's the middle of the night and I'm sleep-typing...

1 hour ago, IdahoBert said:

At least you’re surrounded by water. I’m in the desert. 

But you can't drink it.

Salt water will kill you.

Death by dehydration whilst surrounded by water.

"Trouble with the Curve"?