3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Small sample size. Line-ups should not depend on small sample sizes.  

I get that...

But the bottom line to me is I want runners on in front of our best hitter.

I added to the above: Greene has 6 RBI's with no runners. 6 solo HR's

And 9 RBI's with runners on: 1 HR.

My bottom line sticks. With me. I want OBP guys in front of him in the #1 and 2 spots.

Personal preference.

This:

3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

.... It's certainly possible that some line-ups could benefit from the best hitter batting third depending on the team personnel, but ...

Is more important to me than this:

3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

... best hitter in the lineup: #3 spot." That has been shown statistically to be a less optimal choice that the best hitter batting first or second. ... having your best hitter third is not a great idea in general.  

Sometimes, stats need to be tossed because a team is not performing according to stats, but based on personnel.

Is Hinch so stat-inflexible that he cannot recognize that this team has a run-scoring problem?

PS:

With no runners: .224/.366/.500 = .866, RBI's 6 (6 solo HR's)

With runners on: .378/.455/.595 = 1.050, RBI's 9 (3 D's, 1 triple, 1 HR)

...

Yeah, I want runners on in front of him. 2, which is better than 1... if the team could manage it...

He actually has 37 AB's with men on versus 76 without...

Which is shocking to me... I didn't think he was anywhere near that ratio...

Just now, Tiger337 said:

That looks like a 1970s line-up.  Canha is OK leading off, but if the whole point of him leading off is to get on base for Greene, why are you sticking Perez between Canha and Greene?  Just put Greene second.  If you think that Perez is going to turn into a good hitter with speed, then have him lead off and bat Greene second.   

Because they are also capable of BOTH being on base, or EITHER (if Canha doesn't/ Perez possibly could), in front of Greene.

Bottom line: I want men on base in front of Greene and where he's at right now, 9 times out of 10 it's no one on base when he comes to bat (I didn't verify that, I just WAG'd that...).

26 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

... There's a reason "traditional" lineups went the way of the dodo bird as smart people took over.

Yes, because it's truly SMART to put .245 and .291 OBP guys in front of your BEST hitter instead of .380 and .368 OBP guys...

IMO, smart people need to stop being STUPID.

I don't know if Hinch will actually catch onto this and stop being stupid, but... apparently not.

I get the Yankees broadcast on YES network.

5 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

But the best Tork can do is hit .220 to .230. With a low OBP. He's one-dimensional. HR or bust. But it appears pitchers have the book on him, he chases too many bad pitches and takes too many hittable pitches. He's just not very good.

So let him bat 9th.

And let's see what happens.

Maybe he'll even wake up.

He certainly won't be doing any WORSE than any of our other 6-9th batters this year because... they've ALL been black holes this year.

So... it doesn't matter.

Might as well give it a shot, IMO.

3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Why didn't Jim Leyland use Cabrera as his leadoff hitter? He was the Tigers best hitter. Didn't he ...

This is exactly frickin' IT.

Best player, was Cabrera now it's Greene, bats THIRD in the lineup, with OBP guys in front of him.

No... it's NOT that complicated.

Here's my crazy lineup, with crazy reasoning:

1. Canha - best on base guy to put in front of Greene.

2. Wenceel - Switch-hitter, second best on-base guy to put in front of Greene, AND he can avoid hitting into some DP's with his speed.

3. Greene - obviously

4/5th - Depending on pitcher: Lefties = Vierling, righties = Carpenter. 5th batter is the opposite guy.

6. Keith - challenge him.

7-8. whoever else plays, except:

9. Torkelson - this is actually a challenge for him as well as an elimination of pressure ("you're at the bottom so we don't care what you produce... just do your best..."). It's a demotion to the bottom which will be a huge ego-killer for him...

But the GOOD side of this challenge is that if he starts hitting like he's capable, and before there's a decision to move him back up in the lineup... Then he's getting ON-BASE at a much better clip (as he should be), AND that is in front of Canha-Perez-Greene... so he shouldn't feel totally lost or insulted in the 9th spot, if his bat becomes functional again. It actually extends the team offensively if he can find his bat again, from that spot. THAT's the challenge.

PS: I prefer the traditional location for the best hitter in the lineup: #3 spot.

3 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Put your best hitter leadoff. He bats more often.

With no one on base.

Why the F won't Hinch put some on base guys in front of Greene so when he hits these HR's there could actually, possibly, you know, be some freaking base runners on base...?

I know others are annoyed by this...

I'm starting to REALLY get annoyed by this.

We got 1 run last night... and I'm certain batting Greene first played a REAL role in that.

23 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

As somebody else said this could be a position we look to fill via in season trade. Given the fact we have a stud number 1 WR and a top 3 TE its not like it's a glaring issue so Holmes is prob fine just rolling with DPJ or Greene for the time being and seeing how things go. 

If they don't work out and we need a more reliable guy then that's when he'll go shopping. 

Just looking for some certainty...

But to your point (and if Holmes/ the Lions want to go this direction I will certainly live with it...): the team has to have some belief in DPJ and/or Green to roll this way...

I would say from a schematic POV: IIRC, at the end of the season and into the playoffs, teams were doing everything they possibly could to double-cover ARSB and LaPorta... putting pressure on the other Lions receivers to step up. So that's where Khalif, Reynolds, Gibbs and Jameson would have to make plays and to varying degrees, they did. Successfully, obviously.

So I am looking to replace the reliability of Josh Reynolds.

I expect some growth from Jameson, Gibbs is a dangerous guy out of the backfield, Khalif is a pick-your-spot guy, so that leaves... the actual X Receiver. Which is DPJ and Antoine Green.

23 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

People-Jones before last season had back to back seasons of 600 and 800 yards receiving. He has the size and speed to be an X receiver. The Lions may feel comfortable in making him the X now that he will have a full training camp with the team. 

This is why I was high on the trade for DPJ. For a 6th rounder next year: A big, tough, run-blocking, fast wide receiver.

But we haven't seen anything yet from him, or from Green for that matter.

If the team wants to go into the season trying to see what they can get from either of these guys, and make a trade at the deadline if they feel it's absolutely necessary, then I can also live with that.

Like I said... I'm just looking for that certainty/ reliability. Boyd has it in spades... hence my desire to add him.

The other guys on the roster... MIGHT also have it... but there's some risk/ uncertainty/ lots of hope in there.

Dammit... I hope DPJ turns into our version of Tyler Boyd starting THIS year... (He's been between 44% and 71% catch rates in small samples sizes...) IF he could settle in at a 65-68% catch rate guy and bully his way to a plethora of 1st downs and half a dozen TD's or so and 600-900+ yards along the way...

I'm good.

And everything I said above that last statement becomes moot point.

So...

We'll see...

5 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

James Houston?

Well...

We know he can bend the corner and get to the QB...

But what else do we know about him...?

2 hours ago, Longgone said:

The point is the Lions are not going to spend high draft picks or major free agent dollars on a de who can rush the passer but can’t really man up in the run game, so they might as well stop projecting them to the lions.

So switch to finding an OLB who can rush the passer like crazy. As well as do other OLB things.

My 2 cents...

2 hours ago, Longgone said:

.... They do incorporate a pure speed rusher, but it’s a part time position on passing downs, and they are not going to commit premium resources for that.

That's why I was fine looking at a later round guy like Chris Braswell or Adisa Isaac.

Also... even if they like a bigger DE to set the edge and control the running game... there are alternatives like a do-it-all OLB. Someone who can make all the run fits, cover TE's or RB's coming out of the backfield, and rush the passer like crazy. Those guys may be unicorns or like a unicorn... but they do exist.

Chop Robinson was actually a decent (but raw) attempt at such... but again, I liked the later round guys who were more OLB than (DE like Chop... and I also didn't want to spend the 1st rounder on him...). Which is again Braswell or Isaac or a few others. Also, these guys can come up to the line as a DE on obvious passing downs, like 3rd & long and such, whilst a Marcus Davenport swings inside to rush inside.

I don't think a 1st rounder is required here...

But a well placed 2nd or 3rd rounder could pay big dividends, IMO, for this defense.

The U.S. is attempting a 4-way peace agreement with us, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Gaza (or Palestine as a recognized two-state solution with Israel).

They're calling it the "None go forward without the Others" deal. There are moving parts, not all happening at the same time... but, anyways, details:

https://www.aol.com/none-forward-without-others-us-012341661.html

(There's more than what I just clipped and posted below):

‘None go forward without the others.’ US mega-deal would tie together the futures of Saudi Arabia, Israel and Gaza

ANALYSIS BY BECKY ANDERSON, MOSTAFA SALEM AND JENNIFER HANSLER, CNN

May 3, 2024 at 6:47 AM

 

Lakeland's starting lineup sans Max Clark.

(Max Clark not Maxx Clark... sorry, visions of Maxx Crosby were dancing in my head...)

You were right earlier in the thread Tater when you said it seemed the Lions had some interest in drafting him in the 1st...

But I can't figure out why.

And it's not only Josh Paschal...

They already signed another Josh Paschal as a FA in Marcus Davenport. 

So now we need 3 of the same guy in Darius Robinson? Josh Paschal 3.0? And it's really Paschal 4.0 because Cominsky is ALSO the same type. (A run-stopper at DE and NOT a pass-rushing DE but can swing into DT if needed to try and generate an inside rush on passing downs...).

WTF?

The only thing I can think of is they felt there was a huge amount of untapped potential in him and their coaches could bring that out. And he would be better than the other 3 guys...

But again... WTF?

34 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

another thing that will never happen, is happening

 

The Handmaid's Tale.

It's starting, in earnest.

4 minutes ago, Longgone said:

Purportedly, Boyd wants to go where he’ll have a large role in the offense, that ain’t Detroit.

If he's looking for a team where he can get the most catches possible...

Yeah, that ain't Detroit.

I preferred Tater's version, but if that ain't happenin' then it ain't happenin': 

17 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

... If he wants to win a championship and get a Super Bowl ring, then Detroit is the place to come...

Absolutely.

He needs to bat 3rd.

So the chances are better there's men on base when he comes to the plate.

And at least, as of today, that means putting Canha & Wenceel in the top two spots...

Followed by Riley...

16 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

... If he could manage to get on base, we could ...

Isn't this:

The PROBLEM?

23 minutes ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-pipeline-2024-mock-draft-may-2?t=mlb-draft-coverage

Mock has us choosing Trey Yesavage at #11. I am hoping Rainer drops to 11 as I would love to get an SS in the system and he has a solid hit tool. 

If the Org believes in Yesavage, or if Burns or Hagen Smith falls to 11... I'll be OK with a pitcher since overall it doesn't look too good at our #11 spot. And as drafts go... either is probably at least a possibility.

If Burns doesn't fall and the team doesn't like Yesavage's mechanics...

Then my vote is also for Rainer to fall.

But if that ALSO doesn't happen... or even if it does:

I could see Harris eyeing a hitter with the best hit tool and most discerning eye out of the next tier of 3B'men: Seaver King, Cam Smith, Billy Amick, or SS Kaelen Culpepper.

I'm going to keep my eye on these guys as well so I am not totally surprised when Harris pulls a rabbit out of his hat...