Thats why I am saying he has to draft and develop nearly perfectly. That's the only way they're getting out of this. And it takes forever. So yeah, comparing to the miserable 1989-2005 years, we're really in about 1996 and even then it took an owner, who loved baseball and followed the game closely getting sick of losing and having to overpay on a couple of older free agents who people thought were done (Pudge, Magglio) and being fortunate enough to get rejected by the steroid-inflated Rich Aurilla which prompted us to take the guy he replaced, Carlos Guillen who may have been one of the best moves in the entire Illitch era. It took the owner getting absolutely fed up with losing to commit to that. But there's a problem with that now too. Pudge was $10 million a year, to nab anything like that now, it's probably $35 million and I don't see Chris doing that - ever. Thanks to the second-biggest free agent failure in Tiger history, Harvey Baez, Chris is going to recoil a spending anything big for a long time. (Jordan Zimmermann is the biggest flop, Harvey's got time to unseat him). But winning meant a lot to Mike, but the feeling I get, and I could be really wrong, is that Chris just isn't that into baseball and watched his dad spending part of his inheritance on it. It comes down to Chris not recognizing Avila was a total failure (I love your Reign Of Error remark) sooner. 2019 should have been it. 47 wins should have been the indicator that this ain't working, but those 3 extra years are probably going to cost us 5-6 more years of bad baseball unless Harris is near-perfect at recognizing talent. If he isn't, then were talking the 2030s before we even have a chance. Damn. I'll be 70 in 2034.