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Isn't it incentivizing the act of taking confidential materials, even if it's by accident, if you give him high fives for this? Can we meet in the middle? High five him for notifying the right people and then immediately yell at him for being so irresponsible. And back to Oblong's anecdote, the guy doing 70 over should be facing criminal ramifications on top of losing his license and major fines. The guy doing 10 over should get a slap on the wrist. I'm not saying they are on the same level.

The raid on Mar-a-Lago happened because they knew he was lying about not having docs still. Additionally, we now have evidence that he either purposely or at least with reckless abandon, took these documents to Mar-a-Lago, which is another crime. I would contend that most people in these positions, that make an error, do the right thing. I would contend that if we don't want to grade any president on a curve, this would be the expectation, not something we honor. And again, 5 years, confidential materials, sitting in a facility that i'm sure did not have the type of security one would expect for confidential materials. Doesn't sound like something to give high fives for.

I guess my point is if we allow our POTUS going forward to grade themselves against Trump, we're all fucked. Biden's team did the right thing after it was discovered. That's what I want to expect from any POTUS and I don't want to give them high fives for doing what you're legally supposed to do.

Fixed this for you I never said both sides were legal issues. But 5 years of confidential documents in a facility that wasn't designed to hold confidential materials and it's a bad look. So yes, did Biden's team do the right thing, absolutely. But let's not try and turn this into a 'win' for him.

I'm not saying you should react the same way. I don't like the petty cash anecdote because person B left cash that anyone could have taken for 5 years in a place where the owner obviously didn't realize they had anything valuable and was lucky it wasn't stolen. Cash vs confidential materials are a huge difference. Back to your speeding anecdote though. Imagine Mr 10 over tells everyone that listens just how stupid Mr. 70 over is, how there is no excuse to speed, ever. Don't you know just how dangerous speeding is, let alone at that reckless speed of that idiot he saw earlier in the day. Then he gets caught doing 10 over. In your scenario, is Person A justified in fighting the ticket and pointing out Person B was so much worse that it's not comparable? If anything, he should be celebrated for only doing 10 over, amirite?!?!

Not really sure what you're getting at here. There were a few days of rumors before the Justice Department spoke about the raid on Trump. If you wanted to believe Trump on what he told the public and take that as 100% fact, I guess have at it. But again, i'm not saying there are not vast differences in 1) intention and 2) cover up after the fact. My only point is if you were one of the people that said there was no excuse for any confidential materials to be in someone's custody that is no longer a government employee with the need to know and stored in a non-government facility, you could at least admit some wrong even if you point towards the vast differences on why this isn't the same level as Trump. I remember hearing folks questioning how many spies may have died because of this. Certainly how many spies were outed and how many intelligence programs were destroyed over Trump having confidential materials. Countless other reasons why Trump having these documents in a non secure room was so detrimental to our national security. But because Biden's team did the right thing by informing the appropriate contacts as soon as they found them bad guys that may have gotten access to them unbeknownst to anyone, they are just going to return them and not use the information because the right process was followed?

I guess I am both side'sing this in the fact that i'm pointing out both sides, just like in your scenario, should expect repercussions. But to your point, absolutely both sides should understand that the punishment should fit the 'crime' and would vary wildly. Note that I quoted 'crime' as well. I did that because as of right now, there is only evidence of a crime in regards to Trump (knowingly taking documents and lying about not having any more), whereas with Biden, there is no evidence of a crime just some irresponsibility. My only point is, if you're going to get on your high horse and proclaim how horrible it is what Trump did when at the time we didn't even know all the facts, you might not want to be careless yourself.

Absolutely correct. Almost like if you look at them as separate issues, you can say what Trump did was egregious and Biden's team was at least irresponsible (per his own words). I'm not trying to both sides stuff. But again, Biden himself said that having confidential documents in your own possession is at minimum, irresponsible, is it somehow not irresponsible now because Trump was worse? And it's not 100% that he was selling or planning on selling. In fact from what I've read, Trump is a packrat and wanted anything that he felt put him or one of his decisions in a good light in his possession because he felt he 'owned' them. It's why what he did is exponentially worse.

The details make this a much different story than what Trump did, but Dems invited some of this to themselves with their overhyped response to Trump. Before details came out which outlined why Trump's issue was egregious every Democrat stressed how there is no excuse for confidential documents being taken from the White House. Even Biden chimed with "How that could possibly happen, how anyone could be that irresponsible." If it truly is that irresponsible, doesn't Biden deserve some flack for this as well?

I feel like your comments on Aunt Becky are foreshadowing a means to dismiss any legitimate complaints that may arise from your question as 'everyone does that'. For one, you're right, unfortunately the grift in Washington and likely even worse in State and Local governments is real and too many people, regardless of party affiliation, do it. The Hunter/Burisma/Ukraine thing comes down to the fact that Burisma hired Hunter not because of any expertise he had, but just because of his name and the hopes it would keep some heat off of the Oligarch's company. Joe Biden led a US delegate, which was part of a global delegate, that wanted to remove a corrupt attorney general (equivalent) for Ukraine. In part because he was bribing some Ukrainian companies and letting them get away with corruption themselves. Even the Obama administration fought internally if it was a conflict of interest and if Joe should be involved. There is no evidence that Joe did anything illegal, nor Hunter, but I think even if you're a dem, you only need to take off your rose colored glasses to see the grift. I personally don't believe Joe Biden pushed to get rid of this AG because Hunter asked him too, but as I've said before, if I'm the new AG and I know Joe Biden, the VP of the most powerful country on the earth, at the request of his president, the most powerful man on this earth, pressured my country to fire the guy that held the job before me because he wasn't investigating companies diligently enough, when that Burisma file comes in front of me and I see Hunter Biden is on the board, I probably am going to be a little hesitant in putting a lot of effort into that specific business. The laptop issue I have is that so many media outlets went along with the dem/intel talking points instead of investigating it. Trump, rightly so, has had exhaustive investigations into any Chinese/Russian deals/accounts/investments. We know Joe Biden was at minimum pursuing Chinese business deals. The now legitimatized laptop proved that. I have seen no pressure on Biden as he ran, after the laptop story broke, after the laptop story was determined to be real, or even now speak to any foreign business deals he may have been in. Apparently when Trump was in question, that was a serious deal. Instead we had the intel department use unidentified sources to say the laptop was 'earmarks of Russian disinformation' and the dem party delegitimizing it by saying it was nothing but 'dick picks' Those aspects led to some social media suppressing it altogether.

debt limit is going to be an absolute shitshow. I'm sure McCarthy reached out to Dem leadership about getting some votes and or presents. I am interested in what a deal there would have looked like. I saw where someone believed the famous AOC/Gaetz talk was based on an attempt to get some Dems to walk out, making the threshold achievable for McCarthy and i'm assuming giving Gaetz the ability to still symbolically vote against him.

Trump has been trying for days to get the votes for McCarthy. He simply has no pull anymore.

FYI, Season 11 is about to start on CSPAN. No idea if they are going to follow the same writing that has made Seasons 1-10 so enjoyable or if they are going to try something different. Either way, get the popcorn out and remember what they say, 11th time's a charm.

Remember what they say, if you don't succeed the first time, try at least 8 more times, even if you show no improvement whatsoever.

I believe it was Socrates that said "7th time is a charm".

If the Feds don't screw it up, Duggan may be in play although I could see him aiming for Governor.

It was always sad and pathetic, just not as humorous now.

You know what they say, 6th times a charm.

Everyone knows 5th time is a charm.

Deflect, nice move.

Sorry about that quote, consider that disinformation. The full quote adds much more context Only 1 day notice. Horrific!! These are human beings, can't believe these like minded Governors think all alike. Read the article to listen to this governors excuse on why he thinks this is OK. Don't let him off the hook, vote him out!!!!

Biden needs to step in and stop all of these hitler'esqe Governor's from violating all these human rights. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/03/colorado-migrants-new-york-00076115

I can't agree more with Chuck about Tomei in My Cousin Vinny. She also gives Brittany Murphy a run for her money for hottest white trash character in a movie with her performance in The Wrestler.