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Interesting, I've always thought their cultural presence was very strong, they're often called the most iconic band ever, and gross a crapload of money touring (which could be just b/c they toured constantly). But I also know they have legion of haters too

yep, totally. That's why they made my list.

Likewise in the accusations of antisemitism. Many claimed to see antisemitism in "All about the benjamins" when Ilhan Ohmar said that. I did not, I saw the title of the huge hit by Puff Daddy from 1997, where Benjamin is a reference to Ben Franklin on the 100 bill, a reference to money. Moreover, her reference to all about the benjamins made no sense from an antisemitic perspective and all of the sense from a pursuing money persective.

A thaw in the cold war? It sure seems like Nessel screwed that up bad but I don't know enough about the details to gaslight you about it yet

Totally fair. I do think PF had a really big influence though. But not as big as Beatles. LZ kinda just rocked. Maybe influential in that they inspired generations of folks to pick up instruments, I'm thinking about the Waynes World "No Stairway" sign Also to be considered, all of these 70s bands obvs stood on the shoulders of the Beatles to various extents. But the Beatles stood on Bob Dylans shoulders.

Maybe we need to move to guitar thread but I think many guitarists over-distort in all sorts of situations. Sadly it took me too long to learn that I was doing it and now I run my dirt pedals around 9ock on the gain and it might still be too much

In his statement he said neutralize Hamas, not remove - which is a different military goal. That said, it's a lower goal that could presumably happen with much less civilian casualties than removal of Hamas.... and some portion of his base (maybe even a large portion) still backlashed on him.

More 70's suggestion: AC/DC, Black Sabbath (both super influential)

As I start doing some really top notch rock and roll ad hoc sabr, I'm going with Pink Floyd and I think I'm comfortable calling them beatles-like. Some of the numbers I was looking at for record sales and tour grossing are really impressive.

Yeah the Dead did that a lot too esp if we consider bluegrass as a variety of country but I don't think they're responsible for it, Eagles maybe be moreso

I'd offer up the Grateful Dead

I'm sure you considered these when you made the highlighted statement, but I feel like Led Zep and Pink Floyd and to a slightly lesser extend David Bowie (if he counts as a band) probably the closest to being a "Beatles"-like band in the 70s and I'm interested in hearing why you do not consider them as such. At a slightly lower tier even though I hate them I'd have to mention the Eagles. Maybe Aerosmith? Next level lower, CSNY?

Grand wizard? Care to clarify?

Thanks for admitting it's your subjective interpretation. I appreciate the honesty.

you sure are obsessed with me did you notice that MTU had the stones to apologize to me for doing what you did?

I didn't realize it either until others brought it up.

That's awesome. I apologize for misquoting you

Believe what you will about me.

I actually didn't, thanks for the clarification. But why a hypothetical? What you call a hypothetical actually happened. We know before 10/7 that many of the perps were the folks you described and yet there was less calling out here by a lot.

Please correct me if I'm misrepresenting but you seem to be saying that reactions here differed because of the way the perps look. Is that a fair interpretation of what you mean?

I think the forum is definitely war hawk moreso than previously but I think that happened with Ukraine war. The current war is pushing it more hawkish. But I also do think that Democrats and Liberals (not leftists, people slightly to the right of them) in general have become more war hawkish. I am more hawkish as well. It's my contention that there was a prevalence, but a much lower prevalence, of antisemitic actions on campuses prior to October 7, and an explosion after October 7th. However, before October 7th, discussions of antisemitism on campuses was largely absent here. Now I will go into hypothetical land so feel free to disregard my hypothetical as you see fit: I also think that prior to October 7th, if a poster started posting about WHY the prevalence of antisemitic actions on campuses was happening/increasing (which are literally crimes) they would not be accused of condoning such acts. I am a trained and degreed criminologist - trying to explain why crimes happen in order to decrease their prevalence - is the essence of the field. I've worked on studies on the etiology of lynchings, software piracy, drug use, and several other crimes. In no way were those efforts to condone such acts, and arguing so indicts (pun intended) the entire field of criminology. They are efforts to understand the cause and proscribe potential solutions. Thus far, the only one that has come close to vocally agreeing with my take is 84 and I appreciate him reading what I actually posted and seeing my point.

There's a real inconsistency in reactions in this forum pre/post Oct 7 as well. I'm not sure why given the argument that the war doesn't matter that multiple people have raised.

MTU, Sue brought this bolded ETA sentence to my attention, I had not seen it before she mentioned it. I genuinely appreciate it. It was not my intent and accept your apology. Thanks again.

always the victim.... by gaslighting do you mean apologizing to me for misrepresenting me? by gaslighting do you mean accusing me of things, then saying you didn't do exactly what you did? by gaslighting do you mean admitting you're inferring my words instead of debating my actual words (at least 2 have admitted this just this morning)? by gaslighting do you mean accusing me of not responding to posts that were proven didn't exist when I responded? by gaslighting do you mean calling a thread where all of the aforementioned is happening a "great thread"? Those happened. Facts.

When's the next time to vote?