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Regarding the comparison to Pearl Harbor and the reaction, my understanding from history education is that the argument for dropping 2 hydrogen bombs on two cities in Japan was that it would end the war quicker and result in less civilian casualties and military casualties than not dropping the hydrogen bombs and trying to defeat Japan through a more traditional ground invasion. If we are drawing a comparison with Pearl Harbor and Oct 7, is there then an argument to be made that Israel should drop hydrogen bombs to limit civilian and military casualties?

It would be much higher than 9/11 or 10/7.

Regarding 9/11 and proportionality, this website says that since 2001, there were estimated 70,000 Afghan and Pakistani civilian casualties. If we use the 10k civilian casualties estimates in gaza at face value, there were almost 14% of the deaths of the 22 year response to 9/11 in about 1.5 months. If we project the current rate to 22 years, assuming 10k per month, that would be 10,000*22*12 which would be 2.64 million. Math seems to suggest the response to 9/11 was much less in terms of civilian casualties than the response to 10/7 if we take current casualty estimates at face value. https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/afghan#:~:text=As of March 2023%2C more,massive increase in civilian casualties.

Egypt opening it's borders just makes the humanitarian crisis even more Egypt's problem, it doesn't solve it.

Again, I will let you take that up with those that disagree with your facts as they are here rather explicitly arguing otherwise. Tis not I who you disagree with, I also recall those statements from Bibi during the previous ceasefire. I definitely do see Bibi as one of many obstacles to temporary ceasefire or permanent peace.

We are in agreement. I said ceasefire is not impossible to which you explicitly agreed. I have advocated nothing else.

You seem to be suggesting Bibi is an obstacle to ceasefire to which multiple posters have disagreed. I will let you all hash out your disagreement.

Those conditions also preceded the previous ceasefire.

There was a ceasefire 2 weeks ago. Posting like it's impossible and even talking about one is impossible is disproven by history from 2 weeks ago.

cabinet of losers is awesome

Lol vivek is such a ball bag

Yep. I've argued this here many times.

I clearly asked if it was possible science could explain the cause of the big bang, not that science will explain it. But go off, revisionist.

Seeing reports that Tom tubbyville is dropping his ridiculous hold.

I apologize if this was covered already but is it really the case that science cannot answer what caused the big bang? I get that it hasn't yet but why is it not possible in the future?

Maddow interviewing Liz Cheney.... great interview and info. Recommend.

Jordan would be better

Looks like ones own medicine doesn't taste good. Lol

Congrats on the self reflection

I can't really speak to the state level much but the Michigan GOP is broke as hell like Oblong mentioned. That could ve for totally other reasons though. On congressional llevel I believe Cocaine Mitch and MyKevin have monstrous super pacs that they use to fund many candidates

I think there's still plenty of GOP funding it's just not at the RNC. I suspect their super pacs are still doing well. I think the GOP is tinkering with new funding mechanisms, for instance Tiny D is subbing out huge portions of his camp pain to super pacs to a level well beyond what we've seen before.

Do people think Bibi would agree to the arrangement Ehud Barak agreed to?

Reality: IDF has killed thousands of people the IDF, as well as many posters here, say are human shields. MotownForums: Let's come up with a hypothetical scenario where IDF isn't doing what IDF is doing and belabor it. LOL

tarrifs are another great example thanks for bringing them up. As Jim Cowan said, we don't even need to rely on promises that he will do it, he already did it. Trump had a weird fascination with the trade deficit, and did all sorts of things to try to equalize trade deficits regardless of whether having a trade deficit with another nation was indicative of anything bad.

he pressured Jerome Powell to keep interest rate slow and to continue QE even when, as he would always say, it was the best economy ever. That's very inflationary. ETA we repeatedly saw that he woudl chose whatever would keep the stock market high, even if that had bad consequences as not raising interest rates in a good economy obvs would.