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People here in the last few days have been castigating folks for ignoring these events... folks are looking the other way at anti-semitism. Given you seem to be suggesting these events were happening before the war as indicated in the bold, but those same people currently castigating were ignoring those events at that time... or at least not posting here about it. What's the difference? While it doesn't take anything to display antisemitism, as you mention, it also doesn't take much to accuse folks of it when it very well may not be that.

so which is it? Does it matter why these expressions of hatred (your words) are happenings, or does it not? Because in 2 posts you argued two opposite things. This is a direct quote where you said it didn't matter This that you said on is important: That's why it's really important to make the distinction. And important to know if the offenders are acting out of war or pure hatred (or a mixture of both). Because what to do about it to stop it could differ depending on the answer. I think it could go even deeper than that. What if you live in the US but lets say your grandparents live in Gaza. If you hate Israel b/c they're bombing where your grandparents live, is that different than hating Israel b/c they're Jewish? I think it's hugely different and has hugely different proscriptive implications.

Thank you. Now, you mentioned people who agreed with your admittedly incorrect interpretation..........

Yes it does. Besides, if you really believed that, you wouldn't be here arguing it happened because of aniti-semitism because why it happened doesn't matter. If you really believed it didn't matter why it happened, you'd be attacking other people's explanations for why it happened as well, but you're not. You're literally saying why it happened doesn't matter and then ranting about why it happened... in the very same post.

@Tigeraholic1 I just reread that post of mine you quoted and it's still really good thanks for resurfacing it. It's hard to believe that a bunch of good guys with guns chose not to stop a bad guy and made all sorts of excuses why they didn't meanwhile the rest of us endure all the trash that comes with them yearning the opportunity to cosplay hero and they choked hard. Lmao hilarious this gets all in your fee fees Don't let facts get in the way of your preferred social policy.

Hi where did I say what happened in the video was ok?

In light of Chas's post, new recap: 1) We don't actually know if the video is real- poster of video has very conspicuously not confirmed it's authenticity as of yet. No other reporting of the situation found. 2) We don't actually know the political leanings of the perps in the video, so far it has been inferred by posters here and the only criteria given thus far is the skinny pants and boots they're wearing. 3) We don't know why the individual was targeted, so far it has been noted by the caption on the video and in the tweet accompanying the video. (Note, the tweet is written by an individual who has not confirmed the veracity of the video he posted on X) and posters here have inferred it's because he was Jewish. 5) Many news sites have reported increases in these types of events since the war began but "who cares" whether the war had anything to do with it, just like "who cares" whether Pearl Harbor had anything to do with Japanese Internment Camps. 6) Holic lied about what pfife said and doesn't have the stones, skinny pants, or patent leather boots to admit it. We'll keep trying there lil guy

So to recap: 1) We don't actually know if the video is real- poster of video has very conspicuously not confirmed it's authenticity as of yet. No other reporting of the situation found. 2) We don't actually know the political leanings of the perps in the video, so far it has been inferred by posters here and the only criteria given thus far is the skinny pants and boots they're wearing. 3) We don't know if the victim was a student or a protestor (video caption suggests he's a student, Chas mentioned he's a protestor) 4) Because we don't know if he was a protestor or not, we don't know why he was surrounded - folks here have claimed it's because he's Jewish, but if he was a protestor that's a whole different story than what's being told here. 5) Many news sites have reported increases in these types of events since the war began but "who cares" whether the war had anything to do with it, just like "who cares" whether Pearl Harbor had anything to do with Japanese Internment Camps. 6) Holic lied about what pfife said and doesn't have the stones, skinny pants, or patent leather boots to admit it. We'll keep trying there lil guy

To tie this to the conversation actually happening in the thread, no one would examine the American internment of Japanese not caring about Pearl Harbor or WW2 which is what you're demanding of others with respect to the events in the video.

I can't find any more reporting or news on that Harvard incident. In true X fashion the guy that shared the video who's X was posted here won't verify that it's real.

I know I do! Which reminds me, where did I say what happened in the video was OK?

The guy that was surrounded in the video was a protester? I thought he was just going about his regular daily business.

I think it's super important to know why these confrontations such as the one in the video happen. And I think the war is a huge part of it why it happened. So does NBC and PBS Newshour which spent resources reporting on such so their pocketbook says it's important and given they work on ratings free market etc

hi where did I say what happened in the video was OK?

Weird, not only does that NBC article not say it's antisemitism, it says it's the f'ing war. Which someone here's been arguing. NBC should stop trying to wiggle out of calling antisemitism antisemtism, and Esweig should be mocked for posting an article that says this

Simple question: where did I say what happened in the video is ok? Quote me and bold the money quote.

I think that confrontation in that video happened b/c of the war. As I've stated several times now, that type of confrontation wasn't happening before the war, and there are plethora of news articles explicitly saying that. If they were happening before the war, everyone here ignored it. I never said what happened in the video was OK like Holic attributed to me. To claim I did is pretty dishonest. If you cosign that, you're being dishonest too, above and beyond the bolded inference of my intentions.

Quite clear you misrepresented what I said. Also sweet snip

LOL wild interpretation, have fun with that **** hoss

No one is using anything as an out for racism Furthermore, no one would examine the events of Japanese internment not caring about Pearl Harbor.

I'll let you be on your own with that comparison. But to your initial question, I care. ETA - I think there's a misunderstanding - you said in both situations they are being targeted and actually on one of my situations there as a very huge decreasing in the targeting so it's not true that in both circumstances there's equal prevalence of targeting. And again, if pre-war and post war had equal target prevalence, why was did literally everyone here ignore it per-war?

This is an interesting comparison. I don't want to get pedantic and clearly it depends on what constitutes targeting, but I remember dozens of discussions on this forum at that time where people that posted here targeted Muslims/Arabs after 9/11 and I don't think they were necessarily rw nutjobs. The Ground Zero mosque fights we had in this forum come to mind instantly.

I think it's important b/c I contend that the shaming wouldn't be happening to nearly the extent it is right now if it weren't for the killing associated with the war.

It seems we're in agreement that there's a component of this is that is actions-related - you mentioned doing bad things and 9/11 - not necessarily 100% based on religion/ethnicity. I would contend that if there's no war going on (killing), there's no (or maybe way less?) shaming going on as portrayed in the video. If that shaming was going on pre-war, then we have a lot of people here who ignored it pre-war and are now castigating those they allege are currently ignoring what they themselves blissfully ignored until a few days ago.

Bring it holic