Mr.TaterSalad

Yes, this is what I was referencing above. Although, I was thinking we had all three time outs left and a little less time was on the clock. But it still speaks to the point that Campbell let a good 20-30 seconds unnecessarily run off the clock and if we did only run 5 plays before the FG, that further showcases he wasn't playing to win. He Lloyd Carr'd it and got conservative when it mattered most in the game instead of playing for the win.

Damn man, can't we ever just have nice things for once!!! This secondary is banged up as it is and didn't play that well last week. To lose potentially our best player in the unit really sucks.

That was such an awful injury for Chubb. Thoughts and best wishes go out to Nick Chubb. I hope that's not a career ending injury, but it looked like his knee cap exploded almost. Really tough to watch so don't look for highlights if you are squeamish. On another note, Deshaun Watson looks awful. He has not gotten his mind refocused into football and committing costly, stupid persona l fouls and costing his team chunks of yardage with flags. He also looks way off target throwing to his receivers and shows poor timing on routes their running. So glad the Lions never traded for him. Just too bad he's on my fantasy team in a keeper league.

It looked like it bent backwards like the Willis McGahee injury years ago at Miami. It bent backwards it looked like.

I don't think allowing 20+ seconds to run off the clock is good clock management. You can play for the tie if you're under 30-35 seconds or so overall. They were still in place to play for the win with a minute plus and I think they just ceded that and decided to play for a tie. They didn't even attempt a win. They could have used one time out prior to allowing 20 seconds or so run off the clock.

With all full pack of timeouts, him letting 30 seconds or so run off the lock was poor clock management in my book. Don't you feel like he played safe for OT in the end?

I've debated jumping into the fray of the clock management conversation or not. My initial reaction was actually not to roast or even criticize Campbell for it at the end of the game. As a fan, I've often let my emotions and frustrations cloud my opinion making during and immediately after the game. So I've sat around and thought about this since yesterday. I can't help but feel letdown by Campbell being such an aggressive coach, only to get conservative and play for overtime when it mattered most. Campbell had 3 timeouts remaining in the final 1:20 or whatever it was. His play calling and decision making there showed he was playing for OT. By letting 30 seconds run off the clock before calling a play, not using a timeout to save time, but then using a timeout on the next was poor clock management. Playing for a 50/50 coin toss to get the ball in overtime, as opposed to being your usual aggressive self and playing for the TD and a win, was poor clock management. Don't be aggressive all game long just to get conservative in the end and not play for the TD and the win.

Any interest in Leonard Fournette if Montgomery is out for an extended period of time?

If they lose this game I think all of Detroit the surround Southeast Michigan area will be right back on the SOL bandwagon. I'll be curious to see how this defense, specifically their front 4-7, responds playing this week against their third straight mobile QB. Will McNeill, Levi, Okwara, or Cominsky step up to help out Hutch? Will Atlanta's OLine just double team Hutch and neutralize our ability to get pressure if no one else steps up? Not having any pass rush whatsoever and only rushing 3 or 4 is one of the things, among many others, that killed Patricia's defensive scheme. I'm not saying Glenn is Patricia when it comes to being a defensive coach, but the lack of blitzing and the packages he's sending, continually rushing only a base 4, gives me concern.

Ian Rapoport X'ed out that James Houston is out 6-8 weeks with a fractured ankle. Our already thin, non-existent pass rush, with Josh Paschal out, just got dinged up even more.

Aaron Glenn's speciality is supposed to be the secondary given that's what he played in the NFL. But even with the secondary being inconsistent and struggling at times, having zero pass rush with no QB pressure is really difficult to overcome. When a QB and offense get 4-5-6+ seconds to let plays develop and receivers get that kind of time to get open it puts the secondary in a tough position. You can only ask the secondary to hold tight coverage for so long. And against a mobile QB who can extend plays in and out of the pocket that makes things harder. The opposing QB doesn't fear our pass rush because Glenn continually rushes only 4, doesn't gets no push from the interior, and doesn't have a talent on the field besides Hutch that represents any serious threat.

The attack against Whitmer, at least in a Democratic primary, is that she bought in hook, line, and sinker to Republican, supply side, trickle down economics. Whitmer is a big believer in the trickle down theory of giving corporations big handouts in exchange for job growth. She's given over $3.7 billion in corporate welfare handouts through the state's SOAR (Strategic Outreach and Attraction Reserve) corporate welfare slushfund. She gave Ford Motor Company over $200 million I believe for their new battery plant in Marshall, MI. She gave tens-of-millions to a Swedish-based paper mill in the UP to save a couple hundred jobs at the cost of over $250,000/job. She's also refused to support a graduated income tax as Governor and taxing the wealthy. If I were a Democratic candidate I think the hit on Whitmer is economically speaking, she's governed like a corporate-supporting Governor with the use of trickle down economics through the state's SOAR corporate welfare slush fund.

Also, Alim McNeil didn't register on the stat sheet today. Neither did Levi. I sarcastically ask were they even playing? Wasn't this supposed to be the new, improved Alim McNeil who cut weight, got slimmer, and was supposed to add more of a pass rushing element to his game?

Campbell can't fire Glenn because he'll be next if he has to fire Glenn. Sure, the very best coaches let go of coordinators all the time from Belichick to Reid. But for a coach as new as Campbell, without any major wins or achievements under his belt, he has no one left to blame but himself if both the coordinators he initially hired end up fired (Lynn and Glenn). At that point, the emperor will have no clothes and if this season goes south in any kind of way, Campbell will be next. I said it last year and I still believe it. Aubrey Pleasant was scapegoated and fired because the PR of having to fire Glenn would have looked bad on Campbell and meant he was next. It's becoming clear that firing Pleasant did not quite improve our defense the way we thought it did. Today's embarrassing performance highlights that.

Given his age, I'd give up a 2nd rounder for Chase Young. It's not like our 2nd round picks usually amount to much anyways. I think a 2nd for a guy whose still just 24 is fair. I'd offer a 2nd + 1 additional pick if that's what it took to get it done.

Do you feel deflated after this loss or just as optimistic as you for coming into the game?

Stoney just said the Lions gave up 132 yards to Seattle Tight Ends. What the efffff did we draft Jack Campbell for? What's up with Glenn's lack of aggression, the soft zone coverage, and allowing bigger wide outs and TEs to eat them up in space? We watch these same things over and over again from the defense. But the inability to cover TEs in open space and really period is a continued problem of Glenn's defensive system.

Right now the person I feel most bad for is either Kelvin Sheppard or John Scott Jr. If this defense doesn't improve and generate pressure on the QB, one of the two will be labeled as the scapegoat and sent packing. Hopefully this was just a one off poor performance by the defense.

That's on Aaron Glenn's scheme and the fact that Holmes still has yet to address any sort of interior pass rush. You can say Levi, but he's been a total bust thus far.

Aaron Glenn's defense punked again by Geno Smith. What's old is new.

Seattle has neither starting Tackle and hasn't let up a sack today. We are supposed to be a vaunted offensive line and they are folding.

St. Brown now questionable with cramps.

Sacked again, we're gonna lose.

I don't feel good about this now. I think Hal Vatai is seriously injured now.