Mr.TaterSalad

Guess who wasn't indicted today? GUESS WHO!!!

Does drafting a player at an underutilized position, with a short shelf life, in RB, constitute as a reach? I think if we are comparing drafting Joey Porter Jr. vs Christian Gonzalez or Nolan Smith vs Tyree Wilson at #6, the talent disparity isn't gigantic and it wouldn't be an egregious reach to take one over the other. However, when you throw in a guy like Bijan and recognize that even good RBs have a shorter shelf life than most players and they play at a position that is becoming increasingly devalued in the NFL, I think that's a reach too far. I'd have to get at least one of the top non-RB positions on my board before taking Bijan. Preferably, I'd like to get two of those guys and bump drafting a RB to the 2nd round or later.

I can maybe get behind the idea of Bijan at #18 but at #6, I just can't do it. I'd want Holmes to go and draft Skoronski at #6 before Bijan. The shelf life of a running back is just too short and this draft has a decent amount of backs that could be found later on. If Holmes to Bijan at #6 I would really question that.

The smoke is Dave Birkett at the Free Press mocking Skoronski to the Lions. The belief is that Birkett has contacts in Allen Park and people that probably give him information and tidbits from time to time. It's not like some national beat writer mocked Skoronski to the Lions, Dave Birkett did, so that is about the most reputable smoke there.

I believe they'll be picking a WR in the draft too. I'm still in on the idea of them drafting Quentin Johnston at #18 as a long-term option for our outside receiver.

Love them bringing back Marvin Jones. They needed a bigger, outsides, X Receiver and Jones fits the bill.

What is Taylor Decker's trade value? Is there a realistic world where the Lions do draft Skoronski, move Sewell to LT, put Skoronski in at RT and trade Decker during the draft?

New song out from Jason Isbell.

If the Lions move their HQ to Detroit then the city should implement a wealth tax of 2% on all wealth over $50 million and should be capturing more resources for their low-income and impoverished residents. No reason that wealthy ownership and players can't pay their fair share.

That's BS then! If the Ford Family wants a new practice facility they should pay for it. Not a damn dime should be going to subsidize a team that has a billion dollar net worth and a family that has billions in wealth.

Is the Ford Family paying for their own brand new practice facility or will they be like corporate welfare queens and slumlord Ilitches and ask for taxpayers to bail them out?

Rashawn Slater only has 33 inch arms, slightly bigger than Skoronski's 33 1/4th inch arms. I'm not in on taking Skoronski in the first round and certainly not at #6. That said, if the Holmes did draft him at #6, #18, or in a trade back, as a means to replace Taylor Decker long term, I would understand and accept it. I don't know how Slater and Skoronski compare athletically, but Skoronski had a good RAS at 8.89. In my extremely limited knowledge, he seems to look athletic and strong enough on tape to play LT in the NFL. But who knows, maybe he isn't and maybe his short arms will get him bullied around.

Amazing that we can't have real, common-sense gun safety reforms and gun control because people want to cosplay as cowboys, police, soldiers, and warriors. I remember hearing the pro life right get worked up over furry and cat cosplayers and non-existent litterboxes in schools. But when kids are actually dying in schools and on the streets at the hands of guns, the pro life right is quick to side with the cosplayers.

Even if they don't want him to run they'll still vote for him and he'll likely beat that indicted bitch on the other side. Have fun losing again. 🙂

It isn't about them being stupid as much as it is desperation. GMs do desperate things all the time, especially for a QB, to try to improve their franchise and save their own asses. Look at what Ryan Pace did trading up to get Justin Fields. He mortgaged the Bears and his own future just to get a QB. The Chargers that year had Easton Stick and Tyrod Taylor signed at the QB position that year once they let Philip Rivers go. If the Lions had drafted Herbert and the Dolphins Tua, where were the Chargers going to find their starter at? Not in free agency, because all the halfway decent guys were signed by then. I'm not continuing this topic after this but I firmly believe that Bob Quinn failed in his responsibility to gin up the necessary belief in other teams minds that he was taking a QB. Brad Holmes' comments from the other day signal an all options on the table approach, which is the right message to send IMO. Bob Quinn's message at the time seemed to cement that the Lions weren't drafting a QB, period. San Diego had no need to worry because they'd get either Tua or Herbert because they knew the Lions weren't taking a QB and were hanging onto Stafford.

The logic to trade back isn't hey Miami, it's hey San Diego. And you also don't have to move on from Stafford in year one, you can sit the rookie behind him to dilute the QB market for 2020 and then trade him in the 2021 offseason. I think if you wanted to trade back in 2020 San Diego, not Miami, was your best trading partner. I think the logic was hey San Diego, you and about 2-3 other teams (Miami, Philly) are in the market for and desperate need of a QB. You've got both us and Miami ahead of you who could pick a QB. We know you wanted one of Tua or Herbert, but now you won't get either because we're about to draft one of the two. We are also hanging onto Stafford and will let the rookie sit behind him for a year, so that further dilutes the market of quality staters for you. So unless someone gives us a really great offer for Stafford, he's wearing a Lions uniform next year. However, we are equally interested in trading back to your draft spot, as much as we are in taking a QB at #3. If you trade back with us it gives you the chance to pick your QB ahead of Miami and stops us from taking your guy. If you don't trade back you're not getting Tua, Herbert or Stafford. You are going to be stuck drafting the third QB on your board or desperately looking elsewhere for your stater. Who knows how San Diego valued Jalen Hurts. But based on where Hurts was drafted, it couldn't have been a first round grade. Quinn screwed up because both San Diego and Miami knew he was never seriously going to take a QB. He gave them no incentive to trade with him. I think Holmes is being smart here because he's signalling to teams that all options are on the table, including drafting a QB. Who would San Diego have put out as their starter if Quinn had taken Herbert and the Dolphins Tua? Quinn needed to either call their bluff by drafting a QB or threaten to pull the trigger to get them to move up. Teams have multiple plans for draft night, Quinn could have signaled to San Diego he was equally interested in taking a QB or trading back and it was up to them what he did. If they wanted to let the Lions trade back then they would get their guy. If not, they'd be stuck scrambling elsewhere to find a starter. Good luck with Tyrod Taylor starting in week one.

You're assuming they value Goff as or more highly than they would a rookie QB. They wouldn't just call his bluff to call it if they don't value Goff.

No one believes Arizona will take a QB because they are locked into Murray and everyone knows that. The Lions aren't locked into Goff in the same way the Cardinals are with Murray. I do believe that GMs out there do speculate on who might be ranked where on another team's draft board, especially when it comes to top ten picks. So there could be a team, or multiple, that think the Lions have Anthony Richardson or Will Levis ranked high on their board, but not as their #1 or #2 guy. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that a team trades with the Lions to ensure they get their guy (Richardson or Levis) and the Lions don't take him. Example, if a team like the Titans was hell bent on getting a new QB, and they really liked Richardson or Levis, yet they thought the Lions might snag one of them because of the way Brad Holmes acted, I don't think it's unrealistic to think they'd trade with us to get their guy. If I'm wrong about the mindset of other GMs and this then so be it.

So you believe that GM chatter and what they say regarding drafting a QB matters when it comes to trading to get ahead of you but not in trading with you to move back. I wonder what Miami or San Diego would have done if Quinn had played his hand smarter, much less if he called their bluff and drafted Herbert or Tua.

Quinn absolutely F'ED that off-season up by basically declaring we weren't drafting a QB. As you said, he potentially had the option to get someone to leap frog the Lions and push Chase Young into their lap. So that to me signals that other teams do care about and pay attention to what other GMs say and how they act. I don't buy into the idea that what a GM says or how they portray their strategy doesn't impact another team's and front offices decisions.

I think GMs look at a position as valuable as QB and go "We'll do whatever it takes to get our guy." If they so much as think someone is a threat to drafting their guy they'll be willing to move up and get him, including trading with us in this instance. If this isn't the case then why doesn't Holmes just come out and say publicly that we aren't drafting a QB?

This is beautiful. I love everything Holmes is saying about drafting a QB. Unlike that dope prior to him, Bob Quinn, who basically announced to the world he wasn't drafting Tua or Herbert, Holmes is playing it up like we could draft a QB. The more Holmes gins up the QB talk and gets teams wondering what he's doing I think the better our chances are to get both a trading partner and a good deal when moving back. Bob Quinn on the other hand had a flashing neon sign saying "WE AREN'T DRAFTING A QB!" and thus had no chance to move out of the third spot. Great work Brad. I don't actually want them to use a high round pick on a QB and I don't think they will. But Holmes playing this up is smart business.

This could be one of the reasons they cleared cap space for . . . Campbell is 35 and likely only has a year or so left to play. Campbell was still fairly productive last year recording 5.5 sacks and 36 tackles.

@Biff Mayhem if you're into Sci-Fi films and don't mind low budget movies check out The McPherson Tape. It is, if not the very first, one of the first found footage films of all time. Pretty basic plot line about an alien abduction and the entire movie is shot using a camcorder. There is a 1990's remake, but for sure watch the original 1989 film first.