Mr.TaterSalad

This hasn't gotten much discussion and I get why, because it's seemingly unlikely to happen. But would you be upset or disappointed in the Lions took Quentin Johnston at #6 or traded back and took him at some pick prior to the pick at #18?

Kancey is still a guy I am very much interested in because we could really use an interior pass rusher to free up Hutch, Houston, Harris, and R. Okwara along the edge. If we end up drafting Tyree Wilson though he will give us versatility and we can slide him along the line, including inside. Picking Wilson makes me less likely to want to get Kancey at #18 and more likely to want to get a run stuffing DT to fill the gaps in the middle like Siaki Ika or Mazi Smith in the 2nd round. I left Jalen Carter completely off my draft board because I still believe he is off Brad Holmes' board too. Unless he knocked it out of the park with his visit yesterday, I don't think they're taking him or even considering Carter at this point. This is probably top 7 for each of #6, #18, #48 and #55. I'd say who I want at #6 or #18 hasn't changed a whole lot in the last month. Assuming no trades, this is my draft board/wish list. Pick #6 1. Will Anderson 2. Tyree Wilson 3. Christian Gonzalez 4. Devon Witherspoon 5. Quentin Johnston Pick #18 1. Christian Gonzalez (I expect him to be gone) 2. Devon Witherspoon (I expect him to be gone) 3. Quentin Johnston (I think there is an outside chance he is still there) 4. Joey Porter Jr. 5. Calijah Kancey (Only if we don't take one of Anderson or Wilson) 6. Bijan Robinson 7. Bryan Bresee 8. Nolan Smith (Only if we don't take one of Anderson or Wilson) Pick #48 2nd Round 1. Jahmyr Gibbs (Only if we don't take Bijan) 2. Jack Campbell 3. Mazi Smith 4. Siaki Ika 5. Trenton Simpson 6. Drew Sanders 7. Steve Avila Pick #55 2nd Round 1. Jack Campbell 2. Mazi Smith 3. Siaki Ika 4. Trenton Simpson 5. Drew Sanders 6. Steve Avila

Here's what TJ Lang had to say regarding what people inside the league are saying on Jalen Carter . . .

Mayer seems like a Hockenson clone and I don't see the point of having traded Hock just to go and draft Mayer with a 1st. If they want another high-level vertical and red zone threat they should draft Quentin Johnston in the 1st before a drafting a TE imo.

I'm perfectly fine with them drafting a TE at some point too. Darnell Washington, Sam Laporta, Dalton Kincaid are all reasonably intriguing 2nd round prospects. I just don't want to keep repeating Lions history with a 1st round TE. I would be stunned if they reached and took at TE at #6, that ain't happening. However, I could see there being some world where they end up drafting one of Michael Mayer or Darnell Washington at #18 or in some trade back scenario, which I do not want. If they used one of their two 2nds on a TE I would even been cool with that depending on the player. If they traded TJ Hockenson just to go and burn/waste a 1st round pick on another TE I'll be disappointed, probably pissed. I'm going to give Brad Holmes the benefit of the doubt on most any move he could make. But another Lions 1st round TE is one of those moves that no matter how hard I try to give Brad the benefit, I'm probably going to end up dumping on in the end. I think most fans would as well.

Pride of Detroit: Report: Detroit Lions pursued free agent TE Foster Moreau, expected to add TE in draft GULP! Please not a first round Tight End. Please not Michael Mayer or Darnell Washington.

Not a single Lions Head Coach except **** Juron has ever gotten a second chance to be a Head Coach in the league. Maybe other teams recognized the Fords were, up until recently, the worst ownership group in all of professional sports and wouldn't hire anyone they had hired.

Sometimes, once you see something or think about someone in a particular light you can't unsee it or not think about it. I have Nick Fairley flashbacks with Jalen Carter on that we have a guy with all the talent in the world who just isn't fully committed to being all he can be and leaving it all on the field. Showing up looking and actually being out of shape during the most important time period for a potential NFL rookie, much less a potential top 5 pick, is not good. Holmes and Campbell seem to want to only bring in people who live and die for the game of football, and Carter doesn't strike me as that, at least at this point. Maybe their interview with Carter changed things and he aced it, but I still those believe those reports about him being off certain teams draft boards is true. I think that we are one of those teams, but who knows.

Pride of Detroit: 2023 NFL Draft rumor: Detroit Lions ‘really like’ Texas Tech EDGE Tyree Wilson From the article, via Matt Miller at ESPN.

Me too, but good for Kenny if they do make it. I think if they do make it all the way to the Cup it will be more to do with their two star players than anyone Kenny has added to the roster though.

This is a draft where there are several coveted QBs that teams will want to move up for and will thus, potentially create a bidding war with Arizona for the 3rd pick. If recent history is any indicator then I think it will take multiple 1sts to move up to 3 as that's what it has previously taken other teams. In 2016 the Browns traded the 2nd overall pick (turned into Carson Wentz) and a conditional 5th round pick to the Eagles for the 8th overall pick, as well as 3rd and 4th round picks in 2016 a first-round pick in 2017, and a second-round pick in 2018. So to move up from 8 to 2 the Eagles had to give up their current first, a future first, a third, a fourth, and a future second. I can't see the Cardinals wanting to settle for a whole lot less than what the Browns got in the Carson Wentz trade.

Do Kenny and Edmonton finally prove the haters wrong and make it out of the West this year? Is this the year McDavid and Draisaitl finally get to a Cup?

So then Brad Holmes is Sonny Weaver in Draft Day. I traded up but now I want my picks back. To me, the only reason I'm trading up is to get Will Anderson. I'm only doing it once I am certain Houston is taking a QB, which will likely be on draft night itself when their pick is announced. I would sit at #6 and miss out on trading up with Arizona then make the trade, only to watch Houston draft Will Anderson at #3. I think Jalen Carter, in another universe, might warrant a trade up to #3. But in this universe, my internal and uneducated speculation still believes he is off the Lions draft board.

I'm not trading up until I know what the Texans are doing at #2. There isn't a rock solid guarantee that they'll take a QB. They may wait until next year and enter into the Caleb Williams sweepstakes. I'm only trading up to #3 with Arizona if it is to get Will Anderson and the price is reasonable. I'm not giving up #6 and #18, which is what I think it will take to move up if past trades are any indicator. If the Texans pass on a QB and take Anderson then trading up to #3 and giving up whatever amount of draft capital will have been a waste.

Regarding CJ Stroud, I just believe this is the organization and front office doing their due diligence. I firmly believe they are not drafting a 1st round QB and are more than happy with Goff as their starter. I don't think they are taking Stroud but in the event he is there when they draft at 6, they want to know what they have in Stroud.

I'd be all in on getting Devin White, just as I was for getting Bobby Wagner and Lavonte David. I'd be willing to offer up either of our 2nd round picks for a 25 year old, stud LB. You only hope a guy you draft is as good as Devin White is. He's still only 25, so he'd likely have at least another 4-5 good seasons left.

Levi Onwuzurike is also a 0 Tech DT. He has played zero games for the Detroit Lions.

Great, so you hope that in the end, you get 3-4 years of a cheaper Jared Goff. At this point, I'll keep the proven commodity in Goff. I've wasted enough time in my life trying to run one QB out of town for the shiny, new object at QB. No need to do it twice. Goff's proven he can play at a high enough level to win playoff games and make a Super Bowl. No need to move on now.

Pardon me, but I don't know which thread to continue discussing the Clarence Thomas matter in. But is there any potential legal jeopardy facing Thomas for the luxury trips he accepted from the Republic donor or is this an ethical oversight on his part, but not something that rises to the level of illegality?

Outside of the OLineman they drafted, there isn't a redeeming thing about what Bob Quinn and Matt Patricia did. What a train wreck that era was. I agree though with MB, having only gotten a 5th for Okudah, I would have rather held onto him and waited to see what he could give us.

If we somehow, someway got Will Anderson at #6 I don't think I would care what Brad Holmes did for the rest of the draft. He could go Michael Mayer, Darnell Washington, Sam LaPorta, and any Tight End he wanted at #18 if he got Will Anderson without having to give up draft capital to do it.

What if the Lions have Will Levis #1 on their board, are you still feeling comfortable with them considering him?

I am asking this question as a former, long time Matt Stafford hater and someone who wanted the new, shinier, cheaper, rookie QB in here for the longest time. Now, I don't and am prepared to keep Jared Goff as our QB for the future. But what is the logic for drafting Anthony Richardson over another player that could start right away, and moving on from Goff? Is it solely based on he can run and has higher athletic upside that Goff? Does his running ability make him more appealing than a guy whose played like a top 7-8 QB in the league the past year and a half? If Richardson were a great pocket passer instead, but didn't have the athletic upside, would the pro-Richardson crowd still be interested in him then? I spent the better part of 4 years from 2017 through 2020 wanting to run Stafford out of town, only to watch him win a Super Bowl the very next year. For those that want Goff gone and Richardson in, isn't that enough of a lesson learned?

Agreed, a QB still being available will drive the price way up, as it did in 2016 when the Eagles went after Wentz and traded with the Browns.