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We won 3 games. We're still way devoid of talent.

Some here are just bad. Brock purdy? A) he sucks. B) they drafted Kellen Mond higher last year than purdy will go this year. Yeah I'm sure the Niners will be splitting between the guy they took 3rd last year and a failed broncos guy.

Congrats you've built the NFL-version of Iowa. Sure, they can win a lot of games. But, there is a reason why they fall on their face in big games against good opponents. Look, yes, we need solid guys. But, they mean little without game changers. The team right now needs impact players waaaaaaaay more than it needs good depth. That's what got quinn in trouble. Heingkept worry about having enough solid starters or the backups being just as good. Screw that. Find game changers. They are needed and make the players around them better. The extra pick next year is just kicking the can down the road. You still gotta find those highend players. If we get zero this year cause we moved back and ended up with two solid guys, then next year we have picks 3, 18, 29. We end up with one high impact guy. If we take the high-impact guy this year at 2, in theory, we are likley still not going to be great. Cause few rookies have that kind of impact. So I still have pick 3 and pick 29 next year. Now, I got, again in theory, two high impact guys. It's all about finding high impact guys and working from there. focus on that and it makes everything else a lot easier. If you just end up with a bunch of solids you are still searching for the imapct guys. You really haven't addressed the root of why you're not winning when it counts.

No. But, its like arguing well you can get Trout at 20. You could also get Ryan Perry. All studies have shown you have a higher chance to get a super-impact player higher in the draft. Yes, they can be found later. More likely to find one earlier though. The risk of moving from 2 to 15 and hoping to get an impact player is too great. More than anytinng, the Lions need impact players that make other coordinators go let's scheme for that guy. They currently have zero. While they need solid, he had a 10 year career and made a pro bowl guys, nobody has ever won with no impact players. So it becomes a matter of Hutchinson/Tib vs Lindebaum and Penn State DE (or whatever). Second set is soild guys, but not guys that make all pro teams. If you are talking the giants picks, you have a better argument. But, the drop from 2 to 15 is too great to find what we need the most.

Yes and if i wanted to discuss that I would have. I wanted to talk about the part that read "The Giants went from 11 to 20 last year and this year ended up getting the 7th overall pick." Hence, "11 is a lot different than two"

11 is a lot different than 2

This group players too far together. It's never that close.

No. We need impact players not versions of Decker at other positions.

and we laugh and laugh.

The owners all have other sources of revenue (and overall baseball is not very profitable). Players have no other sort of revenue.

Again you are just ignoring so much. So so so much. I don't get why everyone keep doing it. OK its good for morale. Who cares season over. it's done. There is zero evidence that winning the last game has any impact on the next year. Do you not agree there will be several new players here next year and several gone? So what does the previous year result have to do with anything? And if you want to argue young fine, I'll argue bad. The average NFL players career is what now like three years. These are guys playing for a bad team. Therefore many are just not good NFL players. What are the building for? for some other team? The arena league? They aren't good. That's why we won 3 games all year. If they were or had long futures in the league we sure has hell would have won more than 3 games. Winning a third game doesn't take a slow, less athletic, weaker player and make him better. Winning a third game doesn't turn Kalif Raymond into Brandon Marshall. And OK winning is important for "teaching how to win" or "building a culture." Didn't the first two take care of that? What did the guys learn from yesterday's win against GB's backups that they didn't from the first two. Pretty sure after the first one they learned it was more fun than losing. Are teams happier that they won 3 instead of two or are both pretty crappy years where you're won of the worst teams. Have you ever heard anyone ever in any sport ever go well we built the winning culture and it started when we won 3 games instead of 2, four years ago? Do you understand how stupid they would sound. Great the Lions have drafted good players at #2 before. has nothing to do with this group. And you could argue they drafted their second best player of all time at No. 1. Great the Jags might take an offensive tackle at one. Who cares? That's not the argument. Plus do you see the key phrase there? MIGHT or COULD. If you're number one you don't have to worry about it all. The fact there is no clear cut No. 1 again irrelevant. Someone is going to be a top your draft board, even a microscopic amount, but someone you think is better than the rest. That's the argument. At No. 1 I get the guy at the top of my draft board no matter. Guaranteed. Everything you're talking about is conjecture or a feeling. There is no proof at all to back up winning against another team's backups in a now-3 win season does anything to help improve performance in the future. A loss, however, does guarantee that I get the guy I feel will most help me win games next year, the year after that and the year after that. You and others are just siding with emotion and old timer clichés. Its just instant gratification while ignoring completely what is better for the long term. This is not a discussion of tanking when you might have an 8 win team. Its the difference between a 2 or 3 win season. Both a sucky and lots of people have lost jobs because of either amount. To argue its about building something is silly because most of the players that were bad which is why the team is bad will not be here when they are competitive. To the ones that are, I doubt they are gonna look back and be like good thing we won three my rookie year. Really taught me a lot about winning.

If its internal its gonna be Ben Johnson the TE coach. He coordinated the passing game when Campbell took over. For the dolphins he also coached QBs and WR so he has experience in other offensive areas.

Jim Bob Cooter

So you're guaranteed to get the guy you want. Win a game in a 2-13-1 year? why.

No. But when you're 2-13-1 what comes from winning? Does it get you into the playoffs? no. Does some mythical winning feeling carry over? no. Does it give young players a taste of winning? did the other two wins do that? Does it help the coach keep his job? nop Do you hanve a banner with three wins instead of two? no. Go ahead point out a good reason to win in a 2-13-1 season the last week other than well I liked it. I like choclate ice cream too but if you tell me to skip it one week so I get Kathrerine Mcphee to spend the night. Goodbye chocolate ice cream.

Doesn't matter. Someone has to be on top of your draft board. Why risk someone else taking that guy for a abosultely meaningless win. All you're doing today is hurting yourself in the long run. It's 2006 all over again

YES MEANINGLESS WINS THAT CAN ONLY HURT!!!!!!!!!!

So not us then....

I'm excited to get murdered by josh allen on thanksgiving