Kacie

You keep contradicting yourself. You're saying all that Biden had to do was flatter ole Mitch a bit to get this done. Then you basically admit the Republicans wanted this gun control lite which does very little so they can pretend like they care about Uvalde. Biden did nothing to convince anyone. If it had any actual substance in it, it would have been DOA. You prove my point that the Republicans vote with their leadership. The Democrats don't. Why is that? Votes like that of Murkowski and Collins are tokens. You know that if their votes are needed, they tow the party line. The Republicans convinced their base that Donald Trump was the second coming and that the election was stolen and incited thousands of them to storm the capital to end democracy was we know it. But yeah, it's impossible for the Democratic leadership to convince people to vote for like health care and gun reform and all that other radical leftist agenda nonsense.

You tell me. Since Biden knows how this all works and he got the gun bill passed. Those were your words. *He* got 10 Republicans to vote for it, right? Why can't he get 2 Democrats and or a Republican to vote for an abortion bill? You're trying to both sides this. If he gets credit for getting the gun bill passed, he should then receive criticism for not getting the abortion bill passed.

Has Schumer been able to get his entire party to align with him? He has been in the Senate since 1999. Overturning Roe v. Wade is the only thing the Republicans have done in the past 40 years? Biden got the "gun bill" passed, but it's not Biden's fault he can't get his own party to codify abortion? He can't get Collins and Murkowski to vote with him, though they are supposedly pro choice? Biden has it all figured out, yet here we are.

This has been in the works since the '80's. I don't know why anyone is acting surprised. I have little faith that the Democrats can capitalize on any of this. They still don't get the game has changed. They can't get any kind of unified message. When you have Joe Biden praising Mitch McConnell, how can anyone expect to get anything done? While Biden was a no brainer over Trump, his time has passed, along with Pelosi, Schumer, etc. They need to pass the torch to the next generation who gets how this all works.

That's bullshit...how convenient of you to forget the brave African American security guard who was probably being paid $12/hr give his life to protect shoppers he didn't know in Buffalo...plenty of brave folks out there. Remember all the first responders who died on 9/11? The Uvalde police force are cowardly pussies. Probably couldn't be bothered to save a bunch of brown kids. if 19 of them were afraid of one teenager with a gun, maybe that should tell you something. Now they need security to protect themselves? Seriously, fuck them. Plenty of us healthcare workers put our lives on the line day after day and had to try and save assholes who insisted they didn't have Covid or that it was a hoax and not only had to worry about contracting the virus, but had to fear for our safety from all gun wielding Trumpturd assholes.

Why shouldn't I be able to protect my access to my health and life and that of my family? If you're a legal gun owner, why are you opposed to a background check, a waiting period, proper identification?

You think nothing can be done to prevent perfectly healthy already born children from being slaughtered because of "muh rights", so how are you different from Abbott? If Abbott didn't want kids to be shot, he could do something about. He chooses not to change gun laws. He chooses not to fund mental health initiatives. He's choosing to attend a fund raiser while the bodies of the children were still warm. He's choosing to support the NRA this weekend, instead of figuring out why the fucking trained good guys with guns sat there and did NOTHING while children begged for their lives. That's evil.

The guy let people fucking freeze to death for a buck. He's PAYING people to snitch on someone who will get an abortion, but will do nothing to prevent children from being shot. That isn't political, that's fucking evil.

By all means, define "mental health program". It's so sickening that this is the fall back, "mental health". Do tell as well, who is going to pay for all the "mental health programs"? A good friend of mine has a daughter who is schizophrenic. She sat in the psych ER for DAYS waiting for a bed to open up in a psych hospital. The parents are a physician and a CPA, so not a financial issue. The Trumprturds are treating mental health just like they are the LGBT community. They're acting like this is just all some new craze based on the lack of "god". When the reality is it's always been a thing. Just like the Republicans to call for a complicated vague solution and then vote against every program that would work to accomplish that.

Because Sandy Hook, Parkland, Buffalo and, and, and, weren't enough for them?

What leadership looks like. Systematically dismantling all the Republican talking points. In person, not on Twitter whining, not backing down, not being quiet, not allowing interruptions. Beautiful. Much, much more of this. I love how a few Supreme Court justices had their panties in a wad over some peaceful protesters at their homes, and boom, next day, congress acts. A few dozen kids get slaughtered, well... now isn't the time...

I get it now. Women just have to shoot their fetus with a gun and it's just the price of freedom and their Second Amendment rights. Am I "sighting" that correctly?

Unfortunately, as gruesome as it sounds, we need pictures, video, the injuries, the horror, the dead bodies of children, the gut wrenching wailing of the parents. It has to be shown non stop for days and days.

Credible news sources are dismissing it because it has been dismissed in the scientific community. Remember Hydroxychloroquine? The miracle cure, according to the Trumpturds. It was so great, Trump didn't take it when he got it. Oops. Then the sheep shifted to Ivermectin.

Admittedly, I don't know all the exact details of the bill, but I am fairly sure that there was no wording in the bill that specifically permitted third trimester abortions. My understanding is that it lifted the restrictions of current state laws that prohibited abortions at 6 weeks, etc, required ultrasounds, waiting periods, things like that. Again, virtually no one is in favor of third trimester abortions without the usual caveats. It's about going back to the previous status quo of Roe vs. Wade before fake Christians took over. Oblong is right. The rhetoric just keeps getting more extreme. Not even in favor of saving the mother's life, not in favor of exceptions for rape or incest, wanting to *save* ectopic pregnancies. Not interested in life at all.

You kind of made the point I was trying to make...In a nutshell, Roe vs Wade, legalized abortion basically without restrictions in the first trimester...banned them in the third trimester with the exception of the mother's or fetus being in a life threatening situation...the second trimester was more open to restrictions. So OF COURSE everyone is against third trimester abortions, because they don't happen. The Archie Deflector nuts have their cult believing there are tens of thousands of women 9 months pregnant lined up at abortion clinics waiting to abort their pregnancy. The reality is much different. Even for women whose lives are in danger face a nearly impossible task to try and end their pregnancy. It's outrageously expensive (10k or more) and requires an out of state trip and there are literally only a couple of physicians in the entire country who will risk their lives to perform them. Ireland legalized abortion after ONE woman in her second trimester died after doctors refused to induce labor when her fetus had already died. Late Term/partial birth abortions, CRT, open borders, etc...all non existent dog whistles that make the sheep salivate.

Fair enough, but laws are often based on medical facts...at least they used to be...That there are lawmakers actually attempting to criminalize ectopic pregnancies is so beyond preposterous, it's hard to even wrap my brain around. In the past, it wasn't even considered not to have exceptions for rape and incest or to save the life of the mother, not that's a common talking point. There aren't numbers or facts that will pacify the Archie Deflectors. They really don't even know what they're against or why, don't care if people die or if lives are destroyed, but it owns the libs.

Okay, then, Deflector Archie, please enlighten us all on your body armor expertise. Still waiting on intrinsic knowledge of abortion law. Since I know you're a stickler for facts, by all means please post where I said I was an expert on anything. You do the cult playbook really well, though.

Do you realize there was an armed security guard at the store who fired at the assailant, but the extensive body armor he had made it impenetrable? The security guard was murdered, as was an off duty police officer. So STFU about being armed being the answer. Maybe the elderly woman who was there to get groceries for the homeless was secretly a BLM supporter and he had to shoot her in self defense.

Oh, and here I thought you wanted my thoughts as an adjunct Histology and Embryology instructor. Stupid me. Since you're so against deflecting, by all means enlighten me on the laws.

So you're saying you have no idea what the law is? Thought so. Usually those that go on about "late term abortions" know absolutely nothing about it or that it isn't actually a thing. Kind of like CRT. But they brainwashed sheep hear something on Fox News and get all bent out of shape over something that doesn't actually exist.

Oddly enough, a guy who gunned down 10 people didn't feel like a threat to law enforcement and he was taken alive...wonder why that is?

Embryos aren't kids.

I think anyone should be able to terminate a pregnancy because they choose to for whatever reason, just as I did. You're saying let all children be born and let them suffer because the parents may not have the ability to provide care? You will offer to adopt and provide all the financial and emotional support needed, right? You're pro life but not willing to actually help children? Got it. You totally care about life as long as it doesn't inconvenience you or your pocketbook. How very Christian of you. Let me guess, you think ectopic pregnancies should be saved? LOL The same people trying to ban abortion are also against gun control. That is not false. Same people who don't give a shit about putting immigrant children in cages at the border. Same people who didn't care if old and fat people died from COVID. Same people who think rape is an opportunity that you should just relax and enjoy. Same people who don't care that women are dying from lack of pre natal care and post partum depression.

Then child support should start at conception? Government assistance should start at conception? If men are held responsible and it has a financial impact on others, abortion would suddenly become easily available. The same people who profess to be so concerned about the "unborn" couldn't give a rat's ass when the babies are born. Most who think adoption is the answer haven't adopted. Most who think it's wrong to terminate those with special needs aren't in favor of providing funds for life time education and care. Most are unconcerned that guns are slaughtering children more often than abortion. Most aren't in favor of paid parental leave, medicare for all, child care credits, free student lunches, student loan relief...all things that would likely reduce the incidence of needing to terminate a pregnancy. If only the baby killer crowd put the same amount of effort into pregnancy prevention as they did into stopping abortion. Why isn't Jesus preventing unwanted pregnancies and giving babies to those who are having trouble conceiving? Why isn't Jesus providing funds for those who can't afford babies? If you want to know when a zygote becomes an embryo, a fetus, a baby, read a science book. It's all in there. FWIW, the "Bible" says life begins at first breath. So it's settled.