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Week One: Los Angeles Rams (0-0) @ Detroit Lions (0-0)
NYLion replied to MichiganCardinal's topic in Detroit Lions
This is the type of game where they need all pass rushers on board so unless he's injured I don't get why he's scratched. -
All the physical tools but it seems like he just doesn't want it enough. I've seen him bail on routes enough times to know that he's not what the Lions need. I think the only reason he was signed and kept this long into TC is because of his physical tools and the ever present need the Lions have for an X receiver. Guy was given every opportunity and dropped the ball time after time, so to speak.
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There's no way in hedoublehockeysticks that Hooker gets waived and he would immediately get picked up. Can you imagine losing Hooker for nothing because Sudafed or Fromm HAD TO be on the roster? My Lord
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I think the D-line looks strong assuming Reader is healthy which, who knows. It seems like Levi is ready to be at least a rotational guy, Martin has looked pretty good in preseason, Wingo looks promising, Alim is a stud. There's some maybes in there but it's a much stronger unit than it was a year ago. The biggest issue is WR3 and not necessarily because of their current configuration but there's zero depth so if one of Amon-Ra or Jamo gets hurt, it's big trouble. I love like 99% of Holmes work but I think he failed to sufficiently address the WR issue, he thought DPJ could fill the Reynolds role but that appears to be a bust. The secondary might take a while to come together as well. They're stacked with talent but short on experience, could take a while for them to gel.
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Of course they have to make the playoffs first but the goals are way higher than simply just making the playoffs.
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All Brad Holmes drafts have yielded high returns, it's kind of crazy at this point. Yes, he had that extra 1st 2 of the years but still... 2021 - Sewell, Onwuzurike, McNeil, Melifonwu, St. Brown, Barnes, Jefferson. That's two All Pro guys (1st team All Pro level), a budding high end starter in McNeil, a budding starter in Iffy with loads of potential, a solid rotation guy with borderline starter ability in Barnes, even Jefferson is still hanging around 2022 - Hutchinson, Jamo, Paschal, Joseph, Mitchell, Rodriguez, Houston. That's an All Pro guy (soon to be 1st All Pro I'd think), a budding starter with room for much more in Jamo tbd but arrows are pointing up, decent rotational guy in Paschal (needs to stay healthy), decent starter in Joseph (I think he's a bit overrated but he's an NFL starter), decent rotational guy in Rodrigo and a guy who had 9 sacks in 8 games in his rookie season which is already a massive success for a 6th rounder. Not as good as the 2021 and 2023 drafts (heavily dependent on Jamo) but still a solid draft for most GMs. 2023 - Gibbs, Campbell, LaPorta, Branch, Hooker, Martin, Sorsdal, Green. That's 2 All Pro level guys in Gibbs and LaPorta, a developing starter in Campbell, a guy tracking to be a high end starter in Branch but still early days and the others it's just too early to know, Green seems to be doing pretty well in camp so that's solid for a 7th. This guy is just killing these drafts and these are players that aren't just doing well on a bad team, they're the driving force behind one of the biggest turnarounds in sports history.
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Keep in mind that it's an extension so when it kicks in it'll be a lesser percentage of the cap relative to what it would be now. I think it's fair market value for an above average tackle who has some good years left seemingly. They now have arguably the best trio of O-linemen locked up for the next 2 years minimum so....nice piece of work by Holmes. Now we'll what happens with Alim. Personally, I see him on the cusp of breaking out (he's getting better every year) so the sooner the better.
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*Summer League* 7/13/24 7:00PM Pistons at 76ers
NYLion replied to Tigeraholic1's topic in Detroit Pistons
It's a lazy comparison because it's not a valid comparison and Pistons fans due to PTSD or whatever point to a failed prospect of a previous regime and compare the new guy they don't like to him simply because it was a former Piston who failed to make it. I've been guilty of it as well with the Drummond and Duren comparison even though they aren't all that alike. The reason why I made the Ivey comparison in terms of Holland driving the ball is because he gets to dead spots on the floor too often where he either forces up a bad shot or makes a bad pass, it's something he needs to work on to control his chaos more similar to Ivey. Ivey is more of a playmaker no doubt but I'm just saying it's not like Holland never looks to pass, he made some nice ones in the final SL game when he ran more like a point forward. I think we just need to let this play out. He's really young and he's raw so there's a lot he needs to work on but there's also a bundle of talent to work with so I wouldn't be writing his obituary as a player yet. -
*Summer League* 7/13/24 7:00PM Pistons at 76ers
NYLion replied to Tigeraholic1's topic in Detroit Pistons
It's a lazy comparison and you went hyperbolic on some of those points. Not explosive at all? Have to disagree with that one. I saw him make some nice passes as well even though it won't be a strength of his clearly. I'm not even the biggest fan of the pick mainly because he's another non-shooter but he does a lot of other things well where you can see flashes of a good player at least based on what I've seen on SL. My biggest issue with Holland is that Ivey-esque tunnel vision when he's driving to the rim but I did see some adjustments by him in that last game so it makes me think that he at least has the capability to play more under control. He's very young, he's raw, it's too soon to make declarations about what type of player he is. -
*Summer League* 7/13/24 7:00PM Pistons at 76ers
NYLion replied to Tigeraholic1's topic in Detroit Pistons
I don't see Stanley Johnson at all with Ron Holland, it's a lazy comparison tbh. He looks like a bigger, less speedy Ivey offensively with the way he attacks. Stanley didn't have near the athleticism that Holland has. Anyway, it was nice to see him have a good game yesterday. You could see flashes of a potentially good player, he just needs to learn to play more under control which is something that Ivey, to go back to that comp, hasn't figured out yet. -
Yep, the assets it would cost to get him and the contract they can't afford to give him. Doesn't make sense. Not to mention that where are his touches going to come from? St. Brown, LaPorta, Jamo with the elevated role, Gibbs. There's only so many mouths they can feed. The Lions need a true #3 WR, not a #1 WR.
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*Summer League* 7/13/24 7:00PM Pistons at 76ers
NYLion replied to Tigeraholic1's topic in Detroit Pistons
Holland looks like a bigger Ivey that plays better defense, apparently. Don't want to take much from SL but his highlight package looks similar to what we've seen in SL thus far (although I didn't see his 1st game). The driving the ball recklessly into traffic and ending up turning the ball over or taking a low percentage shot, he's like a slightly bigger less speedy Ivey. He doesn't have the handle or the creativity to handle the ball as much as he does and he doesn't seem to shoot it well enough to be a guy that can finish off of Cade feeds so I'm not sure what his role will be in the NBA based on what I've seen of him. I'm sure he'll be an NBA regular because he has the tools but, as of now, it's hard to pinpoint what his role will be. I will say though that Ausar impressed me way more than Holland right off the bat for whatever that's worth. You can see right away Ausar's IQ shining through and the potential to be an elite defensive stopper. You could see that in SL instantly. If he ever developed an even average or slightly below average NBA three, he's an All Star level player IMO. Holland just looks very generic to me. -
*Summer League* 7/13/24 7:00PM Pistons at 76ers
NYLion replied to Tigeraholic1's topic in Detroit Pistons
Yes, they need to rest Holland to prepare for the gauntlet schedule the Pistons will be facing in August and September. -
20234-24 14-68. Now what? (The 2024 Offseason thread)
NYLion replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Pistons
Did you expect more? This offseason is about what I expected, they weren't adding a savior. Maybe they could have sin-ate more but would you want to blow up your cap space for the next several years and slow the offense to a crawil to get a 1st for Lavine? Not me. It's been said many times, the Pistons fate will largely lie with this core. They'll need to supplement the core with a better supporting cast eventually but these are the guys the Pistons are riding with. If you look at most of the contenders in recent years, they're mostly driven by their drafted players and then trades were made to bring in strong support players once they started contending. -
I'm shocked. I wonder what the PA thinks about this. Cade is getting substantially more than Brunson which is just plain wrong.
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That has to be fake news, there's no way Brunson is taking THAT big of a discount especially after being vastly underpaid under his current deal. The NBAPA would have a fit if he signed for that cheap.
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20234-24 14-68. Now what? (The 2024 Offseason thread)
NYLion replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Pistons
Enjoyed the presser, Bickerstaff had a good energy and went into details about the players and certain strategies. Monty didn't seem to know much about the team and he went on about how the money was too good to pass up, it doesn't mean much if Bickerstaff can't coach but it was a good first impression at least. Late comment on the Reed signing. I really like it, the Pistons badly needed another big and this one actually plays defense and is young enough to maybe have a little more offensive upside. -
20234-24 14-68. Now what? (The 2024 Offseason thread)
NYLion replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Pistons
It's an ok deal, no issue with the price, but these two guys are the new Bogey and Burks. They'll get some buckets from time to time but they'll give just as much back defensively if not more. They're fine but these are roster filler players, it's nothing to be celebrated IMO. Not criticizing Langdon necessarily because he got dealt a really bad hand into one of the worst situations in the league but these are Weaver type moves tbh. -
20234-24 14-68. Now what? (The 2024 Offseason thread)
NYLion replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Pistons
Hilarious. Two pros who can't play a lick of defense and he sin-ate one of those contracts to get a bunch of meh 2nds and had to give up a promising young player to help Dallas sign other guys. The Fontecchio contract was his first good move of the offseason. The other stuff is a bunch of nothing, but I didn't expect much this offseason anyway so it is what it is. The team goes as this core goes. -
20234-24 14-68. Now what? (The 2024 Offseason thread)
NYLion replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Pistons
I couldn't wait until Burks was off the team and I had a few months reprieve until they added two Burks this offseason. The Beasley deal screams of Langdon signing somebody just for the sake of signing somebody, it's roster filler so fine I guess. The Fontecchio contract is nice, a player that can shoot and also play some defense unlike the two Burks they added. -
20234-24 14-68. Now what? (The 2024 Offseason thread)
NYLion replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Pistons
He was only signing with a contender, every insider stated that so it's not just my speculation. The Pistons had no chance at him -
20234-24 14-68. Now what? (The 2024 Offseason thread)
NYLion replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Pistons
Ok and KCP is signing here why? And KCP is signing here for that cheap why? Come on Buddha, you know very well why the Pistons have no shot at guys like KCP and have to settle for scraps. If Harris didn't have deep ties to Michigan he's not coming to Detroit either. This is probably the worst job in the league for a GM, one of the worst even in good times because not only is it an undesirable market it's not a basketball market either and now it's a market with a long losing tradition so it's a tough sell for players to come here. The only real ways to improve are drafting and developing or trade of players who don't have no trade clauses. I'm not advocating for the Harris signing btw, just stating the reality of the situation. The Pistons need to get to the cap floor so this is how they did it. Harris isn't a nothing player, he can provide a little scoring like Bogey so.... yeah, there we go. It's....something. -
20234-24 14-68. Now what? (The 2024 Offseason thread)
NYLion replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Pistons
The Pistons are a mess steeped deep in **** and not just players but also from the executive level on down. It's going to take a long time to clear out the stink, moves like THJ and Harris are nothingburger stopgaps like Bogey and Burks, probably the same with Bickerstaff as well fine for this stage of the rebuild but likely won't be here when the team is competing. Like I said before, the fate of the future of this franchise will largely lie at the feet of the young core. Who that young core will be going forward will be fleshed out over the next few years but as of now the roster is a bunch of **** being thrown against the wall seeing what sticks. Nothing they could have reasonably done this offseason would have changed that. -
20234-24 14-68. Now what? (The 2024 Offseason thread)
NYLion replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Pistons
Harris is the most meh signing I can think of. If you look up average in the dictionary, you see Tobias Harris's picture but average would be an upgrade so it's....something. The team is going to live or die with its youth, these THJ and Harris additions are merely background noise like the Burks and Bogey additions. -
20234-24 14-68. Now what? (The 2024 Offseason thread)
NYLion replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Pistons
The three 2nds are fine, Hardaway is fine. I'd have no problem with the trade and would actually kinda like it if it was just the three 2nd+Hardaway just like the Hornets did with Reggie Jackson, Hardaway might be a bit better currently but he's also has a significantly bigger salary. There really was no reason to include Grimes, it's like Langdon just threw Grimes in there for the hell of it because...eww it's a Troy Weaver player so lets just give him outta here similar to what Weaver did with Bruce Brown. Like I said before, the comparable was right there for Langdon to point at in the negotiation, a trade that happened two days before so it should have been an easy negotiation to do Dallas a pretty big favor.