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$30 million is average QB money nowadays. His dead cap declines significantly after this season so I firmly believe that the Lions can get a 3rd or 4th for him unless his play really craters this season. If there's no market for him, you cut him and save $20m in cap to fill other areas of need. Of course, you'd rather not throw a rookie into the fire right away but the Lions actually have a good situation for a young QB to come into assuming that they aren't ravaged with injuries again next season which, being the Lions and all, is never a safe assumption.

Goff is making the decision to draft a QB easier by the game. I realize that he's down a lot of offensive weapons but you just can't turn the ball over as much as he has. IT's a big reason why McVay moved on from him, because he had the propensity to make poor decisions with the ball but without the dynamic arm to make up for it like in the case of Stafford who also is turnover prone but is much more dynamic to make up for it. I was a backer of him earlier in the season but a veteran NFL QB simply can't turn the ball over as much as he has in games that were vital to get the team back on track. It's pretty much what he was advertised as. He's effective when things are going well around him and collapses like a deck of cards when adversity hits.

I frequent this other Lions board and there are multiple posters there who are criticizing Campbell for not being aggressive at the end of the first half which I completely disagree with because the Lions hadn't scored a touchdown since the Lincoln administration and were missing all their top offensive weapons They also got on Campbell for not challenging the Brock Wright spot which I also completely disagree with because there's not much benefit moving the ball from the 1 to the 1/2 yard line and the major downside of the refs screwing up the review and costing Campbell his challenge for the rest of the game. I'm certainly no fan of a lot of Campbell's coaching decisions this season but these two just seem like a case of criticizing the guy because it's the cool thing to do now.

I know he's down a lot of weapons but all you ask is that he not lose the game and he throws two dumb interceptions. I almost bought into him being a good QB for this team after a strong close to last season and strong start this one but it's apparent that QB is right near the top of the needs list.

This game was peak SOL, on so many levels. Holmbell now 4-18 and zero wins on the road. I know it's a rebuild but they aren't any better off with these guys it appears and yes, I get that there are some injuries but every NFL teams suffers injuries.

I don't know how I forgot about Jamaal but Harris has been a ghost outside of the Commies game (and who doesn't look good against them), I'm talking about Year 2 contributors btw, Harris was good last year. Anal Zone and Raymond are not feathers in his cap. Edit: Reynolds has been a good find. Holmes has a few decent signings now that I think about it. It just feels like such an empty cupboard and hard to see much positive the way this season is going. I do want to see what this team looks like when they get some healthy bodies back. Cominsky was very good before getting injured, nice to see Paschal back as well.

Yes, that's all I'm saying. I understand the reasoning behind the signing but it doesn't mean they weren't failed signings.

I think the general consensus was elation that Sewell fell to the Lions. The Fields love was mainly knowing that Sewell would likely be gone by 7 and that it would likely be a choice between Waddle, Smith, Parsons, Slater or one of the QBs.

They were signed to be the Lions top two receivers. Yeah, they were only signed as stopgaps but they were still failed signings, even if it's on a smaller scale. Chark was a bigger signing and he's been a disappointment thus far. Debate all you want about the meaning of a rebuild or whatnot but Holmes failed with these signings, I don't even know why that's being debated or even called "nonsense" for some reason. I get that it's a long term rebuild but as of right now where we stand today, very few of Holmes draft picks/signings are making any impact. My general point is, at what point does Holmes deserve some criticism? I find it interesting that some Lions fans are absolving him of blame yet have no problem throwing Campbell and Glenn in front of the firing squad as if they're supposed to get more out of this patchwork roster although, yes, they've made their fair share of errors as well.

I edited the post after you quoted it. Care to dispute any of my points? The team is 4-17 under Holmes and I know it's a rebuild but it's fair to start criticizing him when you're not seeing progress in Year 2 mainly because his players aren't contributing. Campbell and Glenn catch a ton of shit yet Holmes seems to get a free pass for some reason.

It doesn't matter. These were his notable FA signings and they failed, a dud is a dud regardless of length of contract. Chark looks to be another one since it doesn't appear he'll be back anytime soon based on his comments. I get that it's a rebuild but it doesn't mean that Holmes should be free of criticism. Two offseasons and two drafts and his only notable acquisitions/picks making impacts in Year 2 are St. Brown and to a lesser extent, Rodrigo. Ah, Sewell too but that one fell into his lap. All the others are either ineffective or injured.

His two "big" free agency signings last offseason didn't even get on the field and were subsequently cut. Chark has been ineffective when on the field and is oft injured himself. Maybe he turns it around but as of now, Holmes has done nothing to help the team in free agency, or at least very little. All duds. No long term commitments but duds nonetheless. I haven't touched on his propensity for drafting injured players but that's another rant for another time. I know it's a rebuild but Holmes hasn't really done anything of note outside of drafting St. Brown and Rodrigo which is partially why I have a hard time putting all the blame on the coaches. It's one of the worst rosters in the league, compounded by injuries.

Honestly not too concerned about the shooting. Once Burks and Livers are back in the lineup, they've got three guys in Bog, Burks and Livers that can shoot at a 40%+ clip from three. It will make a big difference for their three playmakers Cade, Ivey and Hayes to have these guys flanking them. This got me thinking, so I wonder what the rotation will look like when the injured return. The roster seems awfully crowded... Cade, Ivey, Bey, Bogdanovic, Stewart then you have Hayes, Burks, Livers, Bagley and Duren. Diallo, CoJo and Noel are phased out but I can't imagine Casey not going to these guys at times. I wonder how the minutes will be staggered.

That's an odd tweet but Birkett is known for that. "Bye Week didn't do wonders for their injury situation". Uh, their two best offensive players are back at practice. The other guys are fairly inconsequential in comparison, Chark might as well have not played at all this season, pretty much a non-factor. Another dud of a free agent signing for Holmes in a long line of them.

That game was a microcosm of what a young team is all about, both Orlando and Detroit. Big ups and downs, but It was highly entertaining to watch. The biggest thing that stuck out to me is that I didn't expect Duren to make this much impact this soon. Just one game but he looked like a young Amare Stoudemire out there, a better defensive version. Very impressive and I'll be interested to see how Casey monitors his minutes when Noel and Bagley return. I don't know if he's ready to be a starter yet but he's a better fit than Stewart if they insist on having Bey and Bogjanovic on the court at the same time. Ivey is a blur, as we knew already, but what I liked about his game tonight is that he was largely under control which is his biggest question mark. If he can learn how to play a different paces, look out league. IT won't be discussed much but CoJo and Hayes really kept this team afloat when it looked like Orlando was going to blow them out. They kicked off the comeback with CoJo's shotmaking and both of their defensive intensity, along with Duren. Bogdanovic awesome, exactly the type of vet that they need. Fun game overall. Loads of talent on both sides. Wagner is really impressive, I never thought in a million years that he'd be this good as a pro but he's the real deal.

Sure but when you're up by 10 midway through the 4th with the ball, you should expect to win every time. I get that there is a bigger picture thing and the Lions are still a ways off from being a good team but it doesn't make the frustration any less when they completely self destruct in a very winnable game.

The injuries are ridiculous. At one point, their two biggest offensive weapons (St. Brown and Swift) were limping off simultaneously in the 4th quarter of a close game, then Reynolds hurts himself trying to catch a ball when he's wide open and limps off the next play. That's the Lions in a nutshell right there. Still, they blew this game, flat out. Coaching and players both, choked. Oh and why was Hutch even out there? He was a ghost most of this game and I bet he was playing injured. I haven't even touched on Tracy Walker yet. Oh and that their prized 1st rounder, two 2nd rounders and 3rd rounder can't get on the field. What a mess

Some of the 4th down calls were fine but it was too much. At some point, you can't coach this game like a video game. Going for it near lidfield in the 2nd quarter I believe, was one that I vehemently disagreed with. I'm just an armchair coach but there's too many instances when I find myself thinking that Campbell coaches like an amateur at times. He's not a rookie coach anymore, he needs to start learning from his mistakes.

In the end, they choked the game away. There's no excuse for losing the game the way they did.

One mistake? Wasting timeouts AGAIN, going for the field goal from a mile away, went to the well too many times with 4th down calls, no creativity in the run game when they had the lead, going deep on a 3rd and 1 up by 10, Williams to the outside on 4th down. A few others as well. Just like the Eagles game, too many head scratching decisions.

SOL. Campbell is a complete amateur as a head coach. Way too many mistakes AGAIN to count right now. Very likeable guy, not suited to be a head coach IMO.

I know it's a subjective award but I have a hard time putting Curry ahead of the back to back MVP. It's Giannis and Jokic then you can make an argument for #3 among Curry, Embiid and Luka.

He has 17 TDs and 2 INTs in his last 7 games. I'm not sure what else can be expected of him. He's missed some throws but who doesn't? I say this as somebody who was not a Goff fan at all at the time of trade but he's been good pretty much since Lynn was let go and they let him throw beyond 3 yards. If an upgrade is available (Lamar for instance) then it should be explored but I actually think this offense suits Goff very well with the elite offensive line, good running game and guys like Swift and Amon Ra who live in the intermediate and closer range are benefitting greatly from an accurate QB like Goff. I see your concerns with Jamo's potential not being maximized because Goff isn't great on the long range throw but Jamo is much more than just a run deep and catch guy so he'll be fine. Minnesota will be a good test. Lions QBs typcially get eaten alive in Minnesota for as long as I can remember so if they can put up a good offensive performance in that stadium, I'd be impressed even if this isn't a vintage Minny defense.

Not much to dislike about this trade. The Pistons got the better player who fills a bigger need, the better trade chip if need be and clear even more cap space next offseason. Weaver's been killing it the last few trades after a few questionable ones in the past. Confusing trade for Utah but Ainge is a confusing GM (president or whatever his title is over there).

What's even more encouraging is that the offense hasn't been whole yet and several guys are underachieving. They have this dynamic nuclear weapon on the shelf waiting to be used in Jamo then you have guys like Chark and Hockenson who have more to give so there's still big growth potential even beyond what they've done these first two weeks. An offense like this will give them a chance to win most games. As usual in the NFL, most of these games will have razor thin margins that will decide most games but at least the Lions now have the horses, on offense in particular, to compete every week.