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3 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I have zero issue with drafting a slew of pitchers so far this year.  We definitely could use some new blood in that area of our system.  Getting guys who command the zone and throw strikes is fine- work on velocity and other stuff as they develop 

At least from the first 2 pitchers, it looks like they did the opposite.  Picked guys with great stuff/velocity who need their command refined.

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Question for @Edman85

Given how the Angels like to fast track their guys in the minors and they just picked the youngest 1/1 since Junior, we have a chance of seeing the first 17-year-old playing major league baseball since Jay Dahl in 1963.

Nawwww, not really—but let's pretend for a second that the Angels do play Eli Willits before the end of the year, like, for a single game, just for jollies I guess, then they decide to put him back on a normal development track that sees his next big league game in 2029 or 2030 or whatever.

In such a scenario, would some clock start ticking for Willits in some way? Would he become Rule 5-eligible sooner, or something else different I'm not thinking of, if all they were to do different is play him in a major league game this year?

Not Edman, but he would have to be placed on the 40 man (and then active roster) to play a game.  Then each year he is sent to the minors, he is burning an option.  Plus it starts his service time clock for arbitration/FA.

So basically no way they do it just for PR.

1 hour ago, papalawrence said:

Ramirez has 5/10 so he could veto any trade. He took much less money to stay in Cleveland so I don't see him leaving. But I agree, I'd love to have him in Detroit

Yes, it's doubtful he would.  It's also doubtful Cleveland would do it.  

I know it’s not a desperate need, but I’d offer Cleveland 3 of Keith and our top 5 plus Any pitching prospect not named Melton (I think he’ll be needed this year) for Ramirez. 
 

I wouldn’t do that for Skenes or anyone else, but he’d be well worth it IMO.

2 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Let me expound on Ibanez.

He is a 32 year-old weak side platoon bench piece making twice the minimum. The surplus value is nil, and he is unlikely to warrant staying on the arbitration contract route, meaning he is more than likely bound to be DFA'ed or non-tendered this off-season. He is effectively an expiring free agent. This isn't to say he can catch a hot streak and recoup his value like Mckinstry did. This also isn't to say he won't be traded; he could be a DFA trade guy.

But the teams he is most valuable for right now are contenders. Somebody who can be stashed in AAA and maybe be a platoon bat when you can carry an extra bench bat or two in the postseason. Unfortunately, teams trading back end relievers aren't in the market for 32 year-old bench bat non-tender candidates. Maybe if the Dodgers have a roster crunch when guys get healthy and have an extra reliever they are going to be forced to DFA, that could work.

 

I definitely agree on Ibanez and probably shouldn't have included him in the tradeable category.  I think it's considerably more likely they take the Urshela route and release him so he can have a chance to sign with a team than he gets traded.

40 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

Wonder if the Tigers would like to see him beat up on AA pitching prior to the trade deadline?

I do wonder if they’re thinking the deadline will take care of some of the logjam.  Between Jung, Lee, Anderson, Malloy, and even Ibanez, there are a few guys who could be part of a deal for a shutdown reliever.

3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

But he moved Javy over to 2nd base and inserted the LH weak hitting Sweeney at SS. He easily coulda left Javy at SS and put Keith at 2nd. I see it as a rest day for Colt.

Yes that and he was playing for defense yesterday.

20 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Was Hinch just resting Keith or did his shoulder fall off playing 3rd base?

Every time he’d use him, a LH was pitching.

1 hour ago, Tigermojo said:

I wondered if he would get one in the ribs but no.

It was the 2nd baseman’s fault-the shortstop left the bag to catch the wild throw and Torres was right there

2 hours ago, papalawrence said:

Wonderful holiday all the way around!

This series I’d rather the Dodgers won.  The Astros are only 1 1/2 behind us.

1 hour ago, oblong said:

It could be pre arranged.  The # number of pitch or the # of pitch in a certain situation like “my third pitch in the 4th inning”

I actually have a friend who tells a story from years ago that someone told him to watch a random pitch in say the 5th ending would go to the backstop and he watched the game and it happened.

it doesn’t mean the whole game is fixed (like my friend believes) but you can see how people can make a lot of $ on random things you wouldn’t expect and previously wouldn’t be caught.  If it happened years ago, I’m certain it’s going on now.

7 minutes ago, TigerNation said:

That package for Miller? 

Do you guys not realize Miller has a 14+ K/9 and has four more years of control right?

Exactly.  I don’t know about 2 of our top 5, but you’d likely have to include at least 1 of them plus 2 of the next 5 for Miller

If the Rangers picked up $15 mil of Degrom’s next 2 years,(getting him to $30/yr) I’d trade 3 of anyone not in our top 5.  If they pick up $30-35 mil (getting him to $20-23 mil/yr) I’d include 1 of our top 5.  (He also would cost just under $20 mil the rest of this season as this year he’s making $40 mil)

Degrom is the type of starter I’d trade for-a true difference maker (when healthy)

I don’t want to include Mize as that defeats part of the purpose this year and next. 

I don’t see any reason to get a depth starter (if they don’t project to be a dominant reliever) as they are not likely to be much/any better than the 5th -8th options we have.  Give me 2-3 relievers before a depth starter.

3 hours ago, 1984Echoes said:

I think the biggest bang for the buck on the pitching side...

Meaning lowest trade cost but highest impact... is to trade for an older veteran who still has some dominance.

The Rangers are struggling: Jacob DeGrom. I don't think the Rangers get near what it would cost for Garret Crochet or Joe Ryan. Just a guess. Sale would be costly (in prospect terms)... but what if a team wanted to contend next year after flopping out this year... could we include Mize or Montero for Sale or DeGrom and not spend much in prospect capital?

Just some thoughts.

And I would prefer a 1-2 punch of Skubal-DeGrom with Olson/ Flaherty at the back-end than Skubal-Mize-Flaherty-Olson... especially in the playoffs. And/or the World Series.

But that's just me.

Same thing on the reliever side. Aroldis Chapman should cost significantly less than Mason Miller in prospect capital.

I would like to get them both however.

Can we send Tyler Mattison (Miller-wannabe-who-will-probably-never-be...) to the A's for Miller? Maybe they could "fix him up" to be a pale replacement for him? Plus additional pieces as necessary?

Just spit-ballin'...

If the Rangers picked up $15 mil of Degrom’s next 2 years,(getting him to $30/yr) I’d trade 3 of anyone not in our top 5.  If they pick up $30-35 mil (getting him to $20-23 mil/yr) I’d include 1 of our top 5.  (He also would cost just under $20 mil the rest of this season as this year he’s making $40 mil)

Degrom is the type of starter I’d trade for-a true difference maker (when healthy)

I don’t want to include Mize as that defeats part of the purpose this year and next. 

I don’t see any reason to get a depth starter (if they don’t project to be a dominant reliever) as they are not likely to be much/any better than the 5th -8th options we have.  Give me 2-3 relievers before a depth starter.

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

Enns is coming up to start Thursday. He has an opt out on July 1, but has pitched pretty well. Interestingly enough, his contract allows him to declare major league free agency after the year, but the Tigers have a multimillion dollar team option they can pick up. It's clear they thought there was something here.

I'm wondering who gets dropped from the 40.  Maybe Kreidler?  If the group  from WM are going to move up, then some of the group from Erie is going to need to also and Cruz looks like he could take Kreidler's spot and even Anderson could take Ibanez' if they ended up moving him.  I don't think they will yet, but other than the playoff series, he's been awful since early August both in Detroit and Toledo.  

6 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

Back to back minor league parks.  Haven’t seen it on the tee-vee, yet, so looking forward to a baseball field that doesn’t also double as a football stadium.

This one's in Detroit

44 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

The All Star game is simply a popularity contest in some cases. Is Greene the 2nd best outfielder in the AL? And Javy the 3rd best? Yeah, I don't think so.

If you look at the stats, surprisingly, they aren't far off from top 3.  Offensive numbers have really dropped this year.  Buxton should probably be ahead of Baez, but has only played 60 games.  Greene is 3rd among AL OF in OPS behind Judge and Buxton.  Baez is 5th in OPS (Grishom is 4th).

10 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

If healthy...I would not count on it.  I'd like to see them get one more starter.  If everyone stays healthy, that gives them another bullpen arm for the playoffs.  I also want them to had a traditional reliever or two.      

If I’m going for a starter, I want a high end guy-someone who would be for sure better than Montero and SGL.  Sale would have fit that for me.  I’d have included one of our top tier guys to get him through next year.  He is a difference maker-as much as dislike him from our history.  Efflin types do nothing for me.  
 

sale was the ones players voted as who they’d least like to face in the 9th of game 7.

1 hour ago, tiger2022 said:

I wonder if the Tigers will try to trade for a pitcher or two.

WIthout looking up their contract status, someone like Jeffrey Springs or Zach Eflin.  

No point in getting to the postseason and having the starters get destroyed in a short series.

I think for the postseason especially, bullpen arms are more important.

You need 4 starters max in the playoffs.  If healthy, Skubal, Flaherty (I’m assuming he figures things out) Mize, and Olsen are capable enough, and at there best match up well against most.  If one starter has a short outing, if you have enough solid bullpen arms you’re ok as the days off means guys can go almost every day.

Seats for today

4 hours ago, casimir said:

I wonder how much of a Tigertown contingent will be there.  Lakeland isn’t too far away.

My son and I are going to tomorrow's game - it will be a warm one, but looking forward to it.

1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

I'm of the mindset that once the QB leaves the line of scrimmage and chooses to be a runner he should be treated no different than any other ball carrier. He's no more defenseless than any other person in that instance and is actually bigger than most non TEs nowadays. 

Any player has the right to slide, not just the QB

2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

He's only allowed to stay on a rehab assignment for so long. And Hinch says he only needs to build up his endurance before returning. IMO, it would be a mistake not allowing him to use one of his best pitches. But Hinch, Fetter and the other coaches know these players much better than I do;

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/aj-hinch-reveals-reese-olson-213048418.html

 

I could be wrong, but I thought they waited until he was able to throw the change up before sending him on rehab.  I know the fact that he couldn't was why the rehab was delayed.

The Rays are in advanced talks to sell to a Jacksonville homebuilder for $1.7 billion.

https://www.businessobserverfl.com/news/2025/jun/18/report-rays-in-advanced-talks-to-sell-to-jacksonville-homebuilder-for-17-billion/?_fl_id=c3444d73-3e62-48fe-818b-7c6cafa0ccf4&utm_campaign=DB+Breaking+6.18.25&em=NGh6Z2xvcnlAZWFydGhsaW5rLm5ldA--

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

How the hell does Kreidler keep surviving?   

If we had an INF go down, I'd want to see Lee way before Kreidler.    

 

Lee just got hit in the face -don’t know how long he’s out.