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Thats good. I think we need more production there on the offensive side anyway. I would love the defense. But unless we are trading like Trey Sweeney and a low level, that's about what I'd offer. I'm sure the Pirates want a lot more. But I remember how fun it was watching Jose Iglesias at SS all those years. Would love to see that type of defense again on the left side.

Suarez will cost a team a top 100 prospect. I'll be absolutely astonished if he doesn't. For the record, I don't think we should trade Clark, McGonigle or Rainer. I think the first two are as close to 100% untouchable as possible. Rainer I'd say is 95% untouchable. I want the Tigers to keep all three. I'd consider these first tier. If the Tigers were to deal a top prospect, I think Briceno, Liranzo (most likely of all), Lee, Hamm, Anderson and Jung are the biggest trade pieces. I'm not advocating we trade any of these guys either. But if the Tigers want a true upgrade, it will probably cost one or two of these guys (ala Tier 2 type prospects). Also, I want to add, that I think the Tigers if they were to do a deal, it'd be for multiple players with the same team. Look at what I referenced for the Pirates..... Tigers get: Mitch Keller K'Bryan Hayes David Bednar Thomas Harrington Pirates get: Rainer Lirizano Hamm Vierling I honestly think it'd cost something close to that for a package like that. Do I realistically think the Tigers should do it or would do something like that; No. But in terms of prospect capital at this deadline, I think thats pretty close to what it'd take...... I'm legit just talking about value. Lets say you were the Pirates GM and the owner told you to do a deal with the Tigers. (Work with me on this hypothetical). Would you do that deal if Rainer gets replaced by Briceno? I don't think so..... That's all I'm saying. The value's gonna be steep. Again, if Suarez doesn't cost a team a top 100 prospect, I'll be absolutely flabbergasted....... I think he will get a top 50 prospect and another decent B level prospect or two as well. But again, just my $0.02. I hope the Tigers do something like Max Anderson for a good reliever. Something along those lines. I hope they don't break the bank. But even if they do, I think it'd be more the second tier I listed versus the first.

The Yankees have a new third baseman. They are acquiring Ryan McMahon from the Rockies, reports Mark Feinsand of MLB.com. The Rockies will receive two prospects in return. One of the two prospects is left-hander Griffin Herring, per Jorge Castillo of ESPN. The other is right-hander Josh Grosz, per Bob Nightengale of USA Today. Two really good arms heading to the Rockies for a decently mediocre player. Suarez is for sure getting a top 50 prospect and more..... Tigers have got to be OUT of the running for him.... Unless they give up Rainer (which most have made abundantly clear they aren't going to do), Suarez ain't coming to the D......

For the original intent of the thread, I will give my opinion on these (and I hope others will too as well as throw out options they think would work too as that was the intent of this original post). I think if you removed Colt Keith and put in someone like Lee or Liranzo instead, then I think that's actually pretty close. I think it will cost Liranzo or Briceno to get Suarez if we were to dip into our prospect pool. (I think he's being out priced what we'd actually pay.) I could see the Yankees giving up one of their top 3 prospects + for him. I would think Liranzo would be the price for him alone. I'd be really surprised but if we did add someone, I think it'd have to be someone waaaaaaaaay down the

Clark and McGonigal for Skenes? 😁🤣😂

Big difference between Suarez though and Naylor. I think Suarez will fetch a top 50 prospect as a headline. Looks like the Mariners are targeting him. If a package isn't around Harry Ford or Michael Arroyo, I'll be astonished.

JC, do you spend any time whatsoever looking at Tigers prospects? Briceno would be the A's number 1 prospect right now if he was traded and Jung would be in their top 5 (if he was eligible). I'm pretty sure Schefelbein would be in their top 15...... That wasn't even my offer but it is a pretty fair offer in terms of value. Teams trade established players (usually) for multiple prospects that they can control for multiple years. This gives them three prospects/young players to build around and an immediate replacement with a league average replacement right away..... Not too shabby. The A's need pieces going forward.....

Yes they are.

Just found this site https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades I'm too cheap to spend the money for this. But one of the top trades listed in terms of value is: Tigers get:(40.7 point value) Brent Rooker Athletics get: (41.20 point value) Wenceel Perez Jace Jung Josue Briceno Ethan Scheifelbein I'd do this deal too. Cool site.

I think you're right pretty much. I'm honestly in your boat. but For those that want to make a serious run at a WS this year, in order to get things that'd help, it's going to cost something. Rainer is about the cost I think it'd take. The Pirates Deal would be very appealing as it wouldn't mortgage the future but still greatly enhance our team this year. (Yes, I like the Pirates deal WAY MORE than the Rockies Deal, I was just throwing some stuff out there to get your thoughts on things). I think we're playing way above expectations (I am vehemently on record saying this last year as well and took a lot of flack for it). But having said that, if some people want to "go for it" this year, then the type of deal with the Pirates I think is pretty realistic and it'd cost someone of Rainer's value. Pirates won't give away an All star closer, #2/#3 type starter and the best defensive 3B in the game without getting something back. I'm making them throw in their third best pitching prospect as well to add more value in giving up Rainer. I really think that's a realistic deal that helps us now without mortgaging the future. I'd rather not do any deal involving Rainer. But I think he's the absolute highest prospect we'd trade if we get something actually good in return.

I think Bigbie is in the top 7 or 8 OF'rs for the Tigers Depth chart. But again, I want the Tigers to go after Kyle Tucker or someone like that in the OF.

I also want to point out, I love how Tampa Bay and the Dodgers do this every year specifically. They move players when younger players are ready, in order to get even younger players in return to restock the farm system (Selling one veteran for two or three high end prospects that are a few years away). IIRC we have some people in our front office that came from both the Dodgers and Rays system. It's a good model. I love watching what the Rays, Dodgers and to an extent the Brewers do each year when they have to finalize their 40 man rosters before the Rule 5 draft. The amount of anti acid pills and pepto bismol that those GM's and Presidents of Operations must take because of the pressure on who to keep and who to expose is probably by the pallet stacks. The Tigers are almost at that point. I'd love it if we had so many prospects, we have to let some go. Which is kind of what happened this year with Hicks...... I think we are honestly almost there, and a deal like what I presented kind of sets us up to do that going forward....... (Sorry for multiple posts but I think it's important to see the whole picture of moving other "pieces" that can be used to plug other holes.)

No, I appreciate the dialogue. When Max is ready, I think Perez or even Freeman can get moved. Parker Meadows can easily be replaced by Max Clark. But I think the best OF (based on what we actually have right now) would be Green (LF), Clark(CF) and Freeman (RF) (in an ideal world). Carpenter is more of a DH kind of guy anyway. But Perez/Meadows and Carp would be on outside looking in and can be used in deals to help other areas. But this is baseball. We will need depth, injuries happen or players years will go to 💩💩💩. As a stratomatic player, I get to see even stars have crap years literally every year. It happens. We can always use depth. Justice Bigbie and Campos will be ready in the next few years too if they hit as a prospect. Moving Perez and/or Meadows wouldn't be the worst thing in the world when Clark is ready. Perez in my opinion is an average (at best) player, nothing special but gets the job done. Meadows is an above average defender but I don't see him being a great hitter (league average would be fantastic if he can do that which he's shown glimpses of, but hasn't been able to recreate consistently). Carpenter can hit the crap out of the ball but isn't a great defender. I could also see us moving Freeman and having the Tigers spend on a Free Agent RF as well. Understand, I think Freeman is having a career year. But if we can ride him this year as a table setter, it'd help this team a TON this year. But even going forward, I'd rather have Freeman in the OF than Perez. We need more .350+ OBP guys. We have enough power, we need guys on base that can be on base when the power launches one over the fence. Freeland was always supposed to be that super high OBP guy. We need one of those (partially why I'm still pissed we let Liam Hicks walk for free when he's a .400 OBP guy... fml) Good teams have repeatable depth that they can deal from. If we move an OF or two because we have more coming up in the minors, that's a good thing. This year we are lacking but the farm is close to producing. We can take advantage of the situation and keep replenishing our farm. Not every prospect will make it or succeed as we predict as you know. So if we increase our odds, then I think we kind of hedge our bet. Out of all honesty, I'd love to see this deal made, then in the off season, spend 400 million on Kyle Tucker. You can then parlay Freeman (to a team like the cubs) for pitching or whatnot. But can you imagine Green, Clark, Tucker? Bruh. The Tigers are in a position to spend on some players. Soon they'll have to pay their own players. I just pray it's not on Skubal and more on position players. Most SP contracts don't work out nearly as well as position players. I'd rather have Kyle Tucker than Skubal on my team for the next 10 years. But again, that's just my opinion.

THat allows our "all-star" McKinstry to sub each day wherever needed as well. *Side note* - I'd love the Tigers to go after Adley Rutschman. Talk about bad luck. All of his underlying metrics show he's a top 5 C in the game. Whoever buys low on him will look like a genius of Baltimore's actually stupid enough to trade him which I think they might actually be.....

No. We can even move Freeland to RF (where he'd be a plus defender) or put Green in RF and when Carp Returns put him at DH. 1. Freeland - RF 2. Carpenter - DH 3. Green - LF 4. Torres - 2B 5. Torkelson - 1B 6. Keith - 3B 7. Baez - SS 8. Dingler - C 9. Meadows - CF Thats a long lineup with a huge table setter at the top. Much more respectable as a playoff team.

Hamms on rehab assignment as of two days ago. Should be activated this weekend/early next week.

Don't think we're giving up enough in this deal?

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/tyler-freeman-671289?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb XBA .299, .XSLG .408, WOBA .362, XWOBA .356 - Those are top 20 MLB numbers. He's the definition of a leadoff hitter. Great Arm strength (86th%). It's literally his Range that's pulling him down. You put him in LF at Comerica with Meadows in CF and that becomes moot. He becomes a plus defender there.

I think Rainer would be an acceptable cost as a headliner for that type of package. #3 starter, starting 3B (where if he learns how to hit, could become beyond lopsided trade), all star closer and a good pitching prospect. Rainer is a stud. But With McGonigle and now Yost coming up, he's expendable. We can plug some big holes in this trade scenario but we're going to have to pay something. Plus all those guys we get have team control. And on top that, Harrington could be very good as soon as this year. We could call him up now even......

Where do you see Liranzo is hurt?

Ok. What about the Pirates trade offer? (I respect your opinion so I'm really curious your thoughts).

FR though, would you do that dea? 🙂

Andrew Painter Baseball Savant (This dude is going to be a friggin STUD imo). If he's healthy going into next year, he'll be a top 10 MLB pitcher. I'd take Painter over anyone in our rotation right now (except Skubal). But if we're going to lose SKubal, I want someone of Painters calibur. 2025 Video scouting report » Scouting grades: Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 50 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 65 | Overall: 60 One of the best high school arms in the 2021 Draft class, Painter looked like perhaps the best pitching prospect in the game during his first full season, reaching Double-A in 2022 and earning MLB Pipeline Pitching Prospect of the Year honors. His express train to the big leagues was derailed by an elbow injury and subsequent Tommy John surgery that kept him off a competitive mound for all of 2023 and 2024. His highly anticipated return to action in the Arizona Fall League last year did not disappoint, and there was little rust as the right-hander displayed his elite-level stuff over the course of six outings. During his time in the Fall League, Painter showed that in many ways he was the same premium prospect with a legitimate four-pitch mix, albeit with a little twist. His plus heater was touching 100 mph again and averaged 97 in the fall with plenty of ride up in the zone, he dropped in his low-80s curve for strikes and his above-average changeup got better as the fall season wore on. The new wrinkle for the 6-foot-7 right-hander was a harder slider with cutter-like action thrown in the upper 80s, replacing what had been more of a sweeper. Painter misses bats with all four offerings, and while his fastball command was understandably a bit scattered at times given his long layoff, he continued to astound with his ability to pound the strike zone thanks to a simple and repeatable delivery. Even with all the time away, Painter will be just 22 years old for the 2025 season and ready to pick up where he left off before the injury.

That's surprising. Tyler Freeman is a stud. He'd be an amazing table setter for our team. I think it'd be great to get a guy with an OBP above .375 atop our lineup. I was originally leaning towards Jordan Beck instead of Freeman, but I think Freeman fits our team more "now" and Beck more in the future.

Officially throwing this out there: Tigers get: Mitch Keller K'Bryan Hayes David Bednar Thomas Harrington Pirates get: Rainer Lirizano Hamm Vierling (Not sure if we'd have to include Ty Madden to balance this out or not) Tigers get a #3 starter, a 3B (defense wins championships and he's the best defensive 3B in the game which will boost our starters drastically), a closer, and a top pitching prospect (Can probably be brought up in RP role for stretch run). Pirates get two premium position players, a strong SP prospect and a Utility player to use now. They keep in tact their future rotation of Skenes, Jones, Chandler, Barco (probably best four SP rotation in MLB in 2 years), Heaney with Hamm and another 20+ pitching prospects behind them (they are LOADED in pitching). Who says no?