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Uhh, we can have debates about the efficacy of Harris' campaign (that horse has been flogged to death at this point), but given Biden's standing and unpopularity relative to hers in the polls, it seems very likely he would have received less votes than Harris ultimately did. And the party would likely have not gained a seat in the House and done worse in the Senate as well.

In b4 "only the crazy libruls care about that lol"

Are you all for making it easier for lower skilled workers, as you are for H1B visas for higher skilled workers?

Man who rented Cybertruck that exploded in Las Vegas a Green Beret, official says Has Donald Trump blamed the immigrants yet?

There's enough smoke to think they may be in the pole position, but yeah, probably shouldn't pencil him in just yet

And.... crickets. Shocking.

The soon-to-be President, who released a statement with a non-sequitur about immigrants when the crime was committed by an American citizen, doesn't inspire much confidence and seems confused in his own right.

It doesn't help that social media conversations aren't face to face either... I've cut back a lot since the election, including leaving Twitter. And I don't miss it at all... People are just so angry all the time

Getting RFK Jr. to "bless the next wave of vaccines"? Do these people reread this stuff when they type it???

Probably adjacent to your point, but it's been clear to me for a while the GOP, including Trump himself, like campaigning on the issue more than actually solving anything related to it. Which intuitively makes sense... The guys writing the checks are the ones who employee illegals, the ones casting the ballots hate illegals and respond to anti-illegal appeals (and anti-immigration appeals more broadly)

Which gets back to the point I made a week or so ago which is that this problem is almost impossible to solve because there isn't consensus on what the problem actually... *is*. If we had an immigration system where it didn't take years for folks to apply to come, we'd probably have less illegal immigration. But a lot of Trump-style Rs (ie. the Stephen Miller crowd) have zero interest in making it easier to come here to work legally... if anything, they want to make it harder to impossible to come here and work. Good luck solving this issue with this level of incoherence.

Your own words.... unless I am misinterpreting, you are basically advocating for laws to be loosened for H1B applicants specifically, to make it easier for them to come here and work. My question to you is that, given that we likewise have a need for lower skilled immigrants in a number of different sectors, do you likewise advocate for laws to be loosened to allow for it to be easier for these sorts of workers to come in as well?

The elephant in the room is that you keep ignoring the point that we need both more high skilled and low skilled immigrants to meet the demands of our economy. And yet you, for whatever reason, seem to treat the need for low skilled immigration... differently.

Probably a lot of Trump donors lol

But my point was in reference to how your argument about needing more high skilled Indian PEs easily applies to needing more low skilled workers in fields like agriculture. Or construction. As you believe we should be encouraging more H1B visas for highly skilled workers, I also believe that the same arguments apply to making it easier for lower skilled workers to immigrate and work in the US in various fields. Goes back to the discussion we had last week on this board: the demand exists for immigration, both for skilled and non-skilled workers in this country. The focus on "legal vs illegal immigration" misses the point that I am making entirely

Every low skilled immigrant worker in the United States is illegal? This makes no sense

Also raises another issue... Just because the class of immigrant being discussed (ie. college educated, highly skilled) isn't frequently covered on Fox News and other right wing social media doesn't mean that there aren't these types of immigrants who came here illegally. Or have overstayed visas (which in effect makes their status illegal)

Exactly. So, again following the logic, shouldn't we be making changes to the system that make it easier for lower skilled workers to immigrate as well? Given that lower skilled immigrants (from personal experience, fwiw) run laps around their American counterparts in the fields? On construction sites? Etc.

The maybe better way to put it would be that we should strive to remember people in the immediate term after death for the good they did. And Carter did a lot of good, particularly post Presidency; a lot of other people (some listed above) didn't and it makes it harder to speak well of them. Jennings was out of line though, particularly the casual accusations of antisemitism. Guys like him are a cancer on our politics and discourse, and the fact that CNN gives people like him airtime is why cable news is a big reason why cable news is garbage

Wouldn't it be just as easy to apply this logic to low skilled agricultural labor?

All I'm gonna say is that if Donald were to drop dead tomorrow and some liberal commentator said something in the tone of what Jennings said about Carter over some of his various ****ups, somehow I think certain folks would be reacting a lot different and reaching for some pearls. The inability to exhibit any sort of class and respect for the dead is a real sign of the times, and not in a good way.

5.79 at our local Walmart today for 18, fwiw. Said it in 2022 when inflation was at its peak, will say it again... It pays to clip coupons and shop around.

Carter was obviously a better ex-President than he was a President, even if some aspects of his Presidency aged better in hindsight. Either way, in the context of this thread, I find guys like Jennings pissing on him before he's even in the ground to be classless and tasteless. It's a sign of the times that he gets time on the air to do it and that he gets to do it on "liberal" CNN

A "For You" set Twitter guy leading a post off with "_____ destroys ____" while the clip shows Jennings engaging rampant whataboutism and, taken to it's logical end, his argument basically endorses corruption when his allies do it.... none of this is particularly convincing or compelling. Or even interesting.

I don't think you're a liar, but I think you are convinced that this issue isn't political when it clearly is.