mtutiger

This thread by Jane Coaston, who is pretty reasonable overall, kinda nails it. Now that it appears we are heading in this direction, the goal for a lot of conservative punditocracy seems to be to frame this all as a way for states to adopt the abortion laws of France and Spain. And to do so is to be willfully ignorant of what is *actually happening* at the state level. I know it's happening where I live, in Louisiana (with the bill I shared earlier), MIssouri, etc. I mostly get frustrated because, moreso than some others here, I do struggle with abortion on moral grounds. But the problem is that there are a whole host of other issues that the most extreme, maximalist position on this issue presents as well. And no one who is in favor of that position seems willing or able to deal with the end result of the other issues that arise from it. I even asked one of the more pro-life posters the other day who they thought should be held criminally liable, and the response was "that's for the politicians to deal with". Like, if one feels as strongly as they do on this issue, that answer shouldn't cut it for those in the middle. It just shouldn't.

Yep. It's easier to ignore cases like these, or pretend they don't happen, or ignore questions about who is held liable for an abortion, or to act like there's nothing that could possibly happen to popular forms of contraception. Despite the answers not being clear at all.

So what happens on miscarriages? Any of these politicians consider that yet?

I mean, I do think there's sincere religious beliefs involved here. As misguided as the actions (specific to limiting access to contraception) may be from a policy perspective. But even so, setting aside how much religion should be influencing policy (I know where I stand on that lol), the reality is that when you get into the question of when life begins, you really cannot separate abortion from contraception. As much as some conservatives would like to, particularly given how popular many forms of contraception are. The big reason I keep bringing this up is that it's totally believable to me that if Roe goes, there's really not much stopping states from limiting access to certain forms of contraception. Which is a net negative for women's health and would be deeply unpopular overall.

I am fully aware of the reasoning and am fully aware that they aren't banning condoms. But in the case of the bill in question, it's a regressive policy (ie. targeting Medicaid recipients who are generally lower income - also a demo that sees a lot of abortions), the net effect will lead to less options for contraception for those who cannot afford to pay for an IUD or who don't have medical insurance that will cover the procedure. I just don't see that as a good thing, and am gonna call it out when I see a poster lecturing everyone about contraception when the most effective forms of it end up at risk of being limited.

I'd probably put Workman in the possible ML starter category as well, otherwise this seems right to me.

It seems like he's on the Parker Meadows track.... (not that he's fully recovered his stock, but still)

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/fight-over-birth-control-looms-as-missouri-lawmakers-prepare-for-special-session/article_7073a044-a7b7-5bdb-8910-c50156afd22e.html

So many red flags in this story...

The pitching matchups actually lineup halfway decently for this series. They miss Verlander, the rest of the starters have been so-so for Houston, etc. But of course that requires that all nine guys remember how to hit lol

I mean, with IUDs, it's not exactly as simple as "buying" them.... it requires a medical procedure. And going to Illinois doesn't help when you live in, say, Joplin or St. Joseph. Granted, they haven't fully gone so far as to enact anything like this yet, but the discussion is out there... and I'm not gonna assume that it couldn't happen either.

Any comment on the Missouri bill that seems to target popular forms of contraception that will decrease options for pregnant women? Or the possibility that other states could enact similar restrictions?

Because when one wants to learn more about women's health issues, clearly one has to turn to one of the world's foremost authorities on the subject: Archie the message board rando. As Jimmie P would say, Can't make it up folks!

See, I always think of Brewster McLeod with that place...

Unless I've forgotten my Michigan geography, Barry County isn't even a part of that district where he stood election.

And he walks guys too often. Honestly, outside of Hutchison, he's the guy in the pen I trust the least... he shouldn't feel as inevitable as he does.

Yeah, he seemed to be more around 92-93.

I'm honestly surprised that for as awful as they've been hitting the long ball, they aren't much further behind the rest of the league in homers

That seems really police statey...

It's really telling that *this* is what's a bridge too far. Says a lot about the GOP...

Worked in and out of trouble, location on slider seemed off, did throw a lot of strike tho. Reminds me a lot of Beau Brieske's first start, although with more hits allowed.