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I didn’t say “favorite”. 😉

Oh my god did we ever get crushed in the return for those guys. That’s what he got when he met more than his match across the table. Avila had to be thanking his lucky stars Theo didn’t know how to trade. Either that or he just let Jed handle it because he was too important to get involved in it.

Second greatest Tigers manager of my lifetime.

Do us a favor and doubt him again tomorrow.

Until they do literally anything else literally anywhere else.

lol

Rolling the dice.

Say anything you want about Trump and he'll react in a variety of ways, but if you say he's a shanker at golf, that's a criticism that will probably make him the maddest.

From the story: Nine witnesses in the criminal cases against former President Donald Trump have received significant financial benefits, including large raises from his campaign, severance packages, new jobs, and a grant of shares and cash from Trump’s media company. The benefits have flowed from Trump’s businesses and campaign committees, according to a ProPublica analysis of public disclosures, court records and securities filings. One campaign aide [saw] his average monthly pay double, from $26,000 to $53,500. Another employee got a $2 million severance package barring him from voluntarily cooperating with law enforcement. And one of the campaign’s top officials had her daughter hired onto the campaign staff, where she is now the fourth-highest-paid employee. These pay increases and other benefits often came at delicate moments in the legal proceedings against Trump. One aide who was given a plum position on the board of Trump’s social media company, for example, got the seat after he was subpoenaed but before he testified. Significant changes to a staffer’s work situation, such as bonuses, pay raises, firings or promotions, can be evidence of a crime if they come outside the normal course of business. To prove witness tampering, prosecutors would need to show that perks or punishments were intended to influence testimony.

Sounds like an opening for you ... 😉

That's fair, and you may be right after all, and I might further speculate that Hinch did not PH Tork there because they had already made the decision to option him, so another AB in the bigs would have done nothing to serve their objective of getting him back on track.

That's OK, you don't have to believe it if you don't want. But David Chadd did admit as much in the article, and it is not a flattering thing to admit to, so I will take him at his word on it, and continue to remind people of it when it's brought up.

I already posted a link from a few years ago in another thread proving that Avila and Chadd took a flyer on Skubal not because their scouting told them anything special about him, but because Scott Boras suggested they do so. I wouldn’t imagine they put any more thought into picking Carpenter. I think they saw him as a decent-enough-looking guy on that board who had already been passed on 561 times, including 18 times by Avila himself.

Not only that, but every website with any scouting-based focus, from Pipeline to FanGraphs to BP to everyone in-between, had Spencer Torkelson as THE default 1/1 of that draft. Whether they all, to a man, swung and missed on his potential is irrelevant. What they were looking at was, who was the strongest candidate of that particular draft at that particular time (which, remember, was almost four years ago), and unanimously, it was Spork. So, really, it’s not fair cricket that four years later, or even 20 years later, see who retired with the best WAR, and say Avila 100% screwed the pooch in that draft because he didn’t pick [whoever that #1 WAR guy ends up being].

Meaning what? Picking them in the draft, or picking who outside the organization they should see to fix themselves?

Get better soon, Spork!

I missed that story, do you have a link, or else a source?

The problem with the idea was that there were cutting edge organizations that actually succeeded through tanking because they were the first to do it, and then the me-too orgs followed it like it was a plug-and-play formula they could just order off the shelf.

I also prefer it when people who criticize picks or trades or signings as being wrong then follow up with what they would have done instead. It gives us a sense of what those fans think is important, which makes debating them more fun, and they might even give us something to think about if they come up with a good alternative. Although, to be fair, many if not most fans are strictly emotional, so they shouldn’t be expected to debate such moves on intellectual terms. They can be simply reactive if they want, and that’s totally fine. It’s just that we don’t have to take their emotional ranting seriously, and we shouldn’t.

Because they went outside of Avila’s system and helped themselves.

Cool. I don’t mean to hammer you on it, but there are a lot of fans who do think they are dropping the ball on this, among other things, and would like to see mass releases and firings starting immediately, and I’m not always clear on where you stand on it.

When you say, “if the org didn’t believe Tork was capable of a lot more, maybe they should have moved on- and done something to fill the hole”, that implies to me that you believe the organization believes he is not capable a lot more, and that they are dropping the ball in not getting his replacement in house already. That’s why I asked the question. The Tigers have to believe Tork can be doing much better. He has a fairly extensive track record in college and the first few years of minors, plus his flash in last year’s second half. It’s far too soon to conclude that he will never hit at the big league level. They did not imagine going in that he would have regressed so terribly. That is why they are giving him rope, and also why they are sending him to Toledo instead of releasing him. But most importantly, this is why they don’t have a major league first baseman in house already. Orgs don’t generally have active tangible plans, the kind that cost resources, in place in case of unexpected abject failure.

I’m surprised, but sure, why not? As long as they can switch off between Canha and Urshela, unless they have something up their sleeve with the market, which I kind of doubt.

What a minute—where are you hearing that the organization does not believe Tork is capable of a lot more?