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I doubt Schoop is in the mix for third base, since we already have a better third baseman available to us.

FWIW Cody said on his pod that he thinks Jeimer will get non-tendered, and who knows, someone might have already told him so and he just can’t say. Or not.

Lol ““projections””

Everybody missed their ZIPS projection this year. Dump ‘em all? 😉😁

LOL Tigers discussed keeping Chadd around.

If Candelario delivers on his projection, his value will be much better than dubious.

If risking $7 million on a guy likely to rebound, which would make the salary worth it, is a major concern because there's a possibility he won't—if the money is the reason they don't do it—then we should be a little concerned for what that means for Baby Doc committing adequate resources to the team. Because in the MLB scheme of things, a $7 million risk is almost nothing.

The first domino of the four-day break falls, and it's ... ahem ... a big one. And, of course, a welcome one. We've been talking about poor training and injury recovery record of this team the whole year.

If nothing else, we now know that Lindsey Graham knows things about Ginni Thomas. Lifted from Twitter: "So a justice who shouldn't be on the Supreme Court just covered for a senator who shouldn't be in the Senate."

I appreciate your pointing out the difference, although I also think there are several players we could simply release this week without fretting over whether we'll be able to bring them back for next year. Not necessarily will, but could. Not you here now, but in general building off what you just said, I feel as though we Tiger fans have been conditioned to accept that there is only a small subset of players we have available to us, to the degree where we predict rosters for three-four years hence filled with players we have in the system at the time; or we believe it's SOP to release and re-sign the same players over and over; and so we have to make sure that anyone we let go can be brought right back. I have a feeling that Scott Harris is going to effectively deprogram us re: this notion.

Do you think Jeimer is unlikely to be fixed and we should let him go?

Right, I agree, no trades or free agents, but maybe hirings or firings or releases.

I think both can be true: Al tended to overvalue the players in the system, but he would also roll the dice on things like bringing up Daz and bringing up Kody and bringing up Zack and bringing up Beau and bringing up Elvin (repeatedly), even though none of those guys were ready, because he was rolling the dice and hoping they'd come up seven or eleven. And that's in just the past two seasons. On the other hand, Al kept Kerry Carpenter buried in the system even after it was long apparent he was ready to come up and we needed somebody anybody in the outfield who could hit. But maybe that's because Kerry wasn't a first round draft pick, or part of a trade for an inner-circle Hall-of-Famer, or the son of a good or great ballplayer himself. I don't think it is any accident that Kerry Carpenter was called up the night before it was announced that Avila was getting the boot. I would bet money that Al had nothing to do with that decision.

I don't think that's a point of view as much as a simple reality because, in the end, it's always up to the team to figure out whether their bubble players can be fixed or not for the following season. That's a fact, not a speculative opinion. A speculative opinion would be along the lines of "I think the team can fix him so we should keep him", or, "I don't think he can be fixed so we should look elsewhere." Regardless of which of these we believe, we can still append the phrase "but it's up to the team to figure out whether he can be fixed" to either one. Without going back and studying up before typing this, I believe you are leaning toward the camp of "Jeimer can't be fixed so we should look elsewhere." Is that true?

So, with four days off before the World Series starts, and therefore not in conflict with actual games, do we see any substantial moves by Scott Harris this week?

If the tapes truly are buckle-upable, the trick will be to influence independent voters by painting STS Republican candidates with the Trump brush from these recordings.

I wouldn't mind seeing Urshela in a Tigers uniform for a year or maybe two, although I would think there would be an even greater market for his services than for Jeimer's, and that would require outbidding other teams and might even involve multiple years.

Respectfully, I think this organization has rolled the dice way too much in the last several years, which is exactly what planning to play Schoop at a position he's manned for exactly one inning in the past eight seasons would be doing. I think that's why Baby Doc hired Harris: he's gotten sick of his front office rolling dice and crapping out. Particularly at third base!

I agree so long as the discussion goes like "I wonder how Scott Harris is going to approach the roster, maybe he will do X or Y", versus "I don't know what Scott Harris will do, no use speculating about it until we find out for sure", which is kind of where concluding "it's up to the team to figure out whether he can be fixed" leaves it.

In defense of mtutiger’s point, a move to bring on Longoria would not be a build-for-the-future move any more than keeping Candelario around for another year will build for the future. Either of them are placeholders for the guy we’re all besotted with at the moment, Keith Colt (or Colt Keith or Colt Colt or Keith Keith or whatever his name is). He’s the third baseman everyone is in love with for 2024 and beyond, so anyone else is a placeholder in the meantime, or at least until Colt plays himself out of our hearts. The $64 question is, can we fix Jeimer enough to give us two or three wins next year and then see what we want to do with him for the year after that? Or do we throw fungible-3B-of-the-day out there for six months while we wait around for Colt?

I think it is fair to stipulate that everything is conditional, nothing’s a guarantee, and we have no idea what Scott Harris will do, so I don’t think that should stifle our speculation, which IMHO is the funnest part of an offseason thread.

I definitely would not take a year of Evan Longoria over Jeimer, so agree to disagree on that one.

This comment just flashed back to me and I have to ask, why would we have to slip Papierski and Palacios through waivers just to, I assume, stash them in our system as depth? They both have rookie status intact through 2023, so what obligations do we have to them and their career now that their passing through waivers will relieve us of? This is an honest question as I suspect there are transactional niceties involved here that I don’t understand.

I think a good argument is that there’s probably nobody even close to Candelario who is reasonably available to us next year, unless we want to pay 4x his projected arb to lure Arenado here, which I promise ain’t happening. Granted, my assumption is that 2021 is closer to Jeimer’s true level than 2022. But even if he were guaranteed next year to split the difference between the two exactly in the middle, he would be a slam dunk to bring back at $7 million.

He was an average to even plus defender before this year, if you believe OA, anyway. He’s never going to be coached up to Nolan Arenado, but are we sure his defense has fallen off the cliff permanently as well? I wonder how much the hitting woes he wasn’t getting any help for affected the rest of his game, which is a thing. Would it better to completely punt on offense to get Kreidler’s glove in there for 140 games? FWIW, I doubt Harris will be willing to throw that against the wall.