Random NHL comments/thoughts

[Jason_R]

This year’s first is not the only asset available and it certainly wouldn’t be enough. 

Would it take Danielson, Bear, and a 2027 first to be competitive? Would it be worth it? I’d rather stay on the bubble for another year that give up those assets. And he probably ends up in Florida anyway. But Stevie needs to fix the top-six forward hole that is throwing everything out of whack and there aren’t a lot of options. 

[lordstanley]

40 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

This year’s first is not the only asset available and it certainly wouldn’t be enough. 

Would it take Danielson, Bear, and a 2027 first to be competitive? Would it be worth it? I’d rather stay on the bubble for another year that give up those assets. And he probably ends up in Florida anyway. But Stevie needs to fix the top-six forward hole that is throwing everything out of whack and there aren’t a lot of options. 

I would do that deal in a heartbeat (make the 2027 1st top 5 protected though) but i don’t think Ottawa would. They’d want an established player, likely Edvinsson. 

[Hongbit]

14 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

I would do that deal in a heartbeat (make the 2027 1st top 5 protected though) but i don’t think Ottawa would. They’d want an established player, likely Edvinsson. 

I think the only deal that could get done would be a straight Captain flip of Larkin for Tkchuck.  

[Jason_R]

Yeah, if he really goes on the market Ottawa may demand an established top tier player in return  

I don’t think I’d be willing to give up Edvinsson unless it was part of a package to pry loose an Auston Matthews. And I can’t imagine Stevie even considering trading Larkin, let alone Larkin waiving his NTC. 

Stevie is backed in the corner. Will be interesting to see how he tries to wriggle out this summer. Buying low on EP40 might be his only option other than waiting for the prospects to develop. 

[Jason_R]

Then I just saw this, which I agree with. 

 

[buddha]

1 hour ago, lordstanley said:

I would do that deal in a heartbeat (make the 2027 1st top 5 protected though) but i don’t think Ottawa would. They’d want an established player, likely Edvinsson. 

they'll start by asking for seider.  they MIGHT settle for edvinsson, but seider would be where any trade discussion for tkachuk or matthews begins.

what did his brother get traded for?  weegar, huberdeau and picks?  huberdeau was coming off a 115 point season and weegar was a top 15 defenseman in the league.

now, matthew was younger and had bettee scoring numbers than his brother.  but the wings dont have a player with the numbers huberdeau had.  the closest equivalent is larkin.

what about danielson and raymond for tkachuk?

[buddha]

raymond is young and prolific, but he's small and now has been injured late in the year multiple times.  

he's going to carry a lot of value in the league because of his production and his contract, so if you want to pull back a STAR, i think he'd be likely to be in the conversation.

what kind of team do you want to be?  do you want to be heavy and physical?  or small and speedy?  i dont think the wings have a plan.  or if they do, it hasnt been executed very well, because now theyre not physical, not especially speedy, and not all that skilled.  

so what are you?

[Hongbit]

Raymond could potentially also do the trick too buy you may have to throw something else in too.  

The Sens have a nice defenseman group with Sanderson, Cabot, Spence, and Zub.  Not sure they would be interested in adding salary of any of the Wings young blue liners.  

Good point about Larkin’s NTC.  I doubt he waives it for Ottawa. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Hongbit

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

i dont think the wings have a plan.  or if they do, it hasnt been executed very well, because now theyre not physical, not especially speedy, and not all that skilled.  

so what are you?

This. Over the years I've watched various GMs build or fail to build our teams,  and to me that's the difference that stands out - the difference between just trying to collect talent, and trying to collect talent that fits together into a team that can be more than the sum of its parts. And right now, it feels like that is where the Wings are failing. Yzerman has brought in players with some talent, but they don't fill the team's most severe weaknesses. Along those lines that's why I was hoping they would let Kane go. Sure there are things he still does well, but they are not the Wings' glaring needs (i.e. puck possession and forechecking) - etc, etc. When you are bad you have to use your limited resources plug your most sever deficiencies with players that bring those particular skills, not just collect bodies that succeeded somewhere else under different conditions.

 

Edited 57 minutes ago by gehringer_2