2025 MLB Trading Deadline

[RatkoVarda]

10 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Existential sounding question...

How do we know who is going to be a good reliever the next the next three months? There seems to be a lot of certainty in the ether for something that is inherently uncertain.

no one knows; one way to address the uncertainty is to bring in 6 more arms and hope a larger pool of candidate = an increased number of effective pitchers

[Tenacious D]

10 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I was shocked to see Charlie Morton has 97mph still.  That seems...hard to believe. 

And that’s his change up 

[Tigermojo]

14 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Existential sounding question...

How do we know who is going to be a good reliever the next the next three months? There seems to be a lot of certainty in the ether for something that is inherently uncertain.

Certainly not anyone currently in the Tigers' organization.

[Tiger337]

26 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Not necessarily...

True, but I don't believe that getting something for nothing usually means being rigid or difficult. Consistently making good deals likely comes from having a better ability to evaluate talent and develop players compared to the people you're negotiating with.

[theroundsquare]

45 minutes ago, oblong said:

difficult to deal with could mean a lot of things.  

 

This.  I have to deal with people who are tough negotiators, and with people who are jerks.  Both are difficult to deal with.  But I don't mind the first.  I do avoid the second.  There is also a sour grapes aspect of the comments that Stavenhagen collected -- somebody saying Harris is difficult to deal with maybe just means he wasn't as pliable as that person wanted.

[Tiger337]

15 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

no one knows; one way to address the uncertainty is to bring in 6 more arms and hope a larger pool of candidate = an increased number of effective pitchers

Yes, that makes a lot of sense, especially with pitchers.  

[Tiger337]

14 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

Certainly not anyone currently in the Tigers' organization.

I don't think any organization has a good handle on that.  It seemed like the Tigers did the last couple of years, but this year it hasn't worked out so well.  

[Tigermojo]

4 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I don't think any organization has a good handle on that.  It seemed like the Tigers did the last couple of years, but this year it hasn't worked out so well.  

I like their approach of different shapes and looks and pitch types. It gives Hinch options but talent can beat all of that sometimes.

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Both Fangraphs and Reference say we are middle of the pack at third base. What are you seeing that says different?

They must have improved in the last 6 to 8 weeks since that article came out showing them dead last. But the point is, Suarez would have been an offensive upgrade. Unless his defense is SO horrible, it cost up games? Stats are wonderful until people start cherry picking certain stats to show the positives or negatives of certain players. 36 home runs and 70+ RBI would be an upgrade. A late inning defensive replacement, if his D is that bad. Hinch has about 4 players he can put at 3rd base.

[Tiger337]

6 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

They must have improved in the last 6 to 8 weeks since that article came out showing them dead last. But the point is, Suarez would have been an offensive upgrade. Unless his defense is SO horrible, it cost up games? Stats are wonderful until people start cherry picking certain stats to show the positives or negatives of certain players. 36 home runs and 70+ RBI would be an upgrade. A late inning defensive replacement, if his D is that bad. Hinch has about 4 players he can put at 3rd base.

Which stats were being cherry picked? 

[Edman85]

If there is a site these days that is going to cherry pick stats between Fangraphs, Baseball Reference, or the corpse of Sports Illustrated, I know which one I am going to be suspicious of.

[Sports_Freak]

42 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Which stats were being cherry picked? 

WAR...Saying Suarez would be a downgrade? I guess he must make 6 or 7 errors a game? Of course, WAR varies from one site to the next...

I hate to say it but every time he hits a HR, there are going to be people complaining about it. 🤣🤣

[Tiger337]

5 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

WAR...Saying Suarez would be a downgrade? I guess he must make 6 or 7 errors a game? Of course, WAR varies from one site to the next...

 

Suarez has a good WAR and it's almost exactly the same on different sites.   

I don't think anyone is saying he would be a downgrade.  I see people saying that they don't want to give up top prospects for him or that they had bigger needs elsewhere (pitching).  

[TigerNation]

14 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

The Tigers have the least production out of 3rd base in all of ML baseball.

Also, we have 28 road games away from Comerica remaining. Plus the playoffs.

Tigers are 8th in WAR at 3B and 10th in wRC+.

[Shelton]

3 minutes ago, TigerNation said:

Tigers are 8th in WAR at 3B and 10th in wRC+.

True, but this is backward looking and past performance is not indicative of future results. I read that on the last page. 

[TigerNation]

13 minutes ago, Shelton said:

True, but this is backward looking and past performance is not indicative of future results. I read that on the last page. 

I also had the wrong stats where it was sorted by primary position of 3rd base and not actual production at 3rd base. It's actually 17th in WAR and 24th in wRC+ as a 3B. 

Luckily for us I heard somewhere that that is backwards looking and past performance is not indicative of future results.

Edited 18 hours ago by TigerNation

[Sports_Freak]

36 minutes ago, TigerNation said:

Tigers are 8th in WAR at 3B and 10th in wRC+.

Just think how good they would be with a regular at 3rd with 39 home runs and 70+ RBI. Bottom line is they would be a better ML team right now. Yes, it would cost some players who may someday play in the majors...or may never. There's a reason all the serious contenders were going after Suarez...make the team better. 

[Sports_Freak]

47 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Suarez has a good WAR and it's almost exactly the same on different sites.   

I don't think anyone is saying he would be a downgrade.  I see people saying that they don't want to give up top prospects for him or that they had bigger needs elsewhere (pitching).  

Upgrade for 3rd base? Too expensive. The better relief pitchers? Too expensive. Scott Harris played his first trade deadline as a buyer terrified that any prospect he traded may someday turn into an All Star. Apparently, we need several middle infield prospects, because, you never know. But scraping the bottom of the barrel got us pitchers with 4.50 ERA'S to replace pitchers with 4.65 ERA's. 😅

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

They must have improved in the last 6 to 8 weeks since that article came out showing them dead last. 

Yes, they have.

[Tiger337]

5 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Upgrade for 3rd base? Too expensive. The better relief pitchers? Too expensive. Scott Harris played his first trade deadline as a buyer terrified that any prospect he traded may someday turn into an All Star. Apparently, we need several middle infield prospects, because, you never know. But scraping the bottom of the barrel got us pitchers with 4.50 ERA'S to replace pitchers with 4.65 ERA's. 😅

I am not especially thrilled with what they got at the deadline, but I don't know what it would have cost to obtain more impactful players.  I don't think they significantly impoved their chances of going all the way this year, but how do you do that?  There was no urgent need because they have such a big lead and the teams in back of them aren't really trying to win.  I think the post-season is mostly a crapshoot, so I am not in favor of selling the farm just for what might turn out to be one series.  

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Shelton said:

True, but this is backward looking and past performance is not indicative of future results. I read that on the last page. 

That's right!

[Sports_Freak]

20 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I am not especially thrilled with what they got at the deadline, but I don't know what it would have cost to obtain more impactful players.  I don't think they significantly impoved their chances of going all the way this year, but how do you do that?  There was no urgent need because they have such a big lead and the teams in back of them aren't really trying to win.  I think the post-season is mostly a crapshoot, so I am not in favor of selling the farm just for what might turn out to be one series.  

Scott Harris has really rebuilt this teams minor league system and player development. But I'm kinda disappointed with his inability to make the huge trade(s) to really take us over the top. I get it, he wants to be able to bring talent to Detroit in case of injuries or if players eventually walk. But use some of the prospect capital to bring in a quality slugger or some really good pitching, starters or relief pitchers. I would say trading isn't his strong suit. But yeah, making the playoffs is the goal and we're well on our way. And yes, it can be a crapshoot once we get in. But at this point, I would say the Tigers will be an early out. 

[Shelton]

44 minutes ago, chasfh said:

That's right!

I would love to know your current thoughts on tipping culture. 

[Longgone]

2 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I would love to know your current thoughts on tipping culture. 

Cows?

[Shelton]

29 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Scott Harris has really rebuilt this teams minor league system and player development. But I'm kinda disappointed with his inability to make the huge trade(s) to really take us over the top. I get it, he wants to be able to bring talent to Detroit in case of injuries or if players eventually walk. But use some of the prospect capital to bring in a quality slugger or some really good pitching, starters or relief pitchers. I would say trading isn't his strong suit. But yeah, making the playoffs is the goal and we're well on our way. And yes, it can be a crapshoot once we get in. But at this point, I would say the Tigers will be an early out. 

I think it’s close to 50/50 that they are an early out. If only they had made some other moves, they could be 50/50 to advance out of the first round.