NBA Info - July 2025

[Deleterious]

 

[Deleterious]

Does not seem ideal

 

[Deleterious]

According to Reuters, this is the most expensive Vegas summer league ever.

Average ticket price for Mavs (Flagg) VS Lakers (Bronny) is $201.  Lower bowl prices begin at $643 with courtside going for $2,519 and general admission, which I assume is standing room, at $83.

 

[Deleterious]

I mean, Portland basically tired to give him away for two years and nobody bit.  I guess it helps that he is now an expiring contract.

 

[Shinzaki]

Oklahoma City signing Chet to the rookie max extension.   Five years for up to $250 million

[Deleterious]

OKC is such a well run organization.

Won a title this year, still not even in the 1st apron.  Currently, they are not in the 1st apron in the 2026-27 season.  But Williams is about to sign his extension, and most likely they will be then.  But winning a title and not entering the 1st apron until 2 seasons later is amazing.  Pretty much the opposite of Orlando.  

 

[Deleterious]

I do wonder what is the holdup on the Williams extension.  He is obviously getting the max as well.  Maybe he is trying to negotiate a player option on the final year.

As well as they are run, they are about to get expensive.  SGA has one more year at $38 million and another at $40 million.  Then his new extension kicks in, starting first year salary is $60 million with 8% annual raises.  

Chet and Williams will both be max.  So bare minimum $250 million total starting at $41 million the first year.  Both can still qualify for the super max, which would change those numbers quite a bit.  More like $285 million total then, first year starting at $49 million.  

[Hongbit]

18 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

OKC is such a well run organization.

Won a title this year, still not even in the 1st apron.  Currently, they are not in the 1st apron in the 2026-27 season.  But Williams is about to sign his extension, and most likely they will be then.  But winning a title and not entering the 1st apron until 2 seasons later is amazing.  Pretty much the opposite of Orlando.  

 

I am not afraid to say that I have no idea what this really means.   I’d guess 90% of NBA fans are in the same group.

It reminds me of the early days of sabermetrics in baseball.  That complexity has proven to have tangible predictive qualities that were an improvement on the prior system.   This salary model is tremendously complicated for no real reason.   I don’t see how it improves anything now or in the future.  It has made trading, free agency, and pretty much everything involving roster management so much harder for even serious fans to truly understand.  

[Deleterious]

New does not mean complicated.  It's actually fairly simple.

You have the salary cap, which we have had for years.  1st and 2nd apron are 127% and 134% of the cap.  Each apron has increased penalties against the teams in them, and the penalties increase if they are in the aprons for multiple years.  

The feeling is it will help spread talent around the league and not let the top organizations hoard it.  I say as long as people are willing to give Bradley Beal $50 million a year, there isn't a CBA rule around that can save them.

Some are saying you already see it working with the pretty low contracts being handed out this summer.  I wouldn't go that far, since only one team had cap space this summer.  Next year, a bunch of teams project to have a lot of cap space.  I would bet a lot of money the dumb ass contracts come back.

[buddha]

43 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

New does not mean complicated.  It's actually fairly simple.

You have the salary cap, which we have had for years.  1st and 2nd apron are 127% and 134% of the cap.  Each apron has increased penalties against the teams in them, and the penalties increase if they are in the aprons for multiple years.  

The feeling is it will help spread talent around the league and not let the top organizations hoard it.  I say as long as people are willing to give Bradley Beal $50 million a year, there isn't a CBA rule around that can save them.

Some are saying you already see it working with the pretty low contracts being handed out this summer.  I wouldn't go that far, since only one team had cap space this summer.  Next year, a bunch of teams project to have a lot of cap space.  I would bet a lot of money the dumb ass contracts come back.

or they could just have a cap and make everyone stay under it.

[Deleterious]

11 minutes ago, buddha said:

or they could just have a cap and make everyone stay under it.

Nice.  Who is telling the players union they are about to take a 50% pay cut?  

[gehringer_2]

32 minutes ago, buddha said:

New does not mean complicated.  It's actually fairly simple.

Maybe the tiers are simple, but the once you start in with Bird, Early Bird, Non-Bird exceptions, Mid-Level Exceptions (Non-Taxpayer, Taxpayer,  and the Bi-Annual Exception, the value of expiring contracts, etc., etc. your simplicity goes right past the board like a half-court airball trey. 🧩

 

Edited Wednesday at 05:54 PM by gehringer_2

[Deleterious]

Using his name on my quote?  He has never looked more intelligent.

[Hongbit]

5 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Maybe the tiers are simple, but the once you start in with Bird, Early Bird, Non-Bird exceptions, Mid-Level Exceptions (Non-Taxpayer, Taxpayer,  and the Bi-Annual Exception, the value of expiring contracts, etc., etc. your simplicity goes right past the board like a half-court airball trey. 🧩

 

I was just coming to post this exact thing   

[gehringer_2]

14 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Using his name on my quote?  He has never looked more intelligent.

that is wierd - I have no idea how that got transposed.

[Deleterious]

The Pistons will be in the East Group B division of the Nobody Gives a **** tournament.  

 

[buddha]

2 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Nice.  Who is telling the players union they are about to take a 50% pay cut?  

you dont have to.  you just increase the cap.

the real problem will be telling the low revenue owners that there is no longer any penalty for spending money on salaries.

the nba has created a labryinth of exceptions, carve outs, and exceptions to exceptions that make everything much more complicated.  i cant just trade X player for Y player.  i have to trade X player for Y+Z's salary to create an exception so i can sign Z.

its much less interesting to most people who are die hard nba junkies like yourself.

[Deleterious]

17 minutes ago, buddha said:

you dont have to.  you just increase the cap.

the real problem will be telling the low revenue owners that there is no longer any penalty for spending money on salaries.

the nba has created a labryinth of exceptions, carve outs, and exceptions to exceptions that make everything much more complicated.  i cant just trade X player for Y player.  i have to trade X player for Y+Z's salary to create an exception so i can sign Z.

its much less interesting to most people who are die hard nba junkies like yourself.

No, the real problem will be telling 20-25 owners that the current 51% of basketball related income they give the players isn't enough.  How do you think they will react when they are told to move to a hard cap and keep the union off of our back, we will probably have to up the player's share to 70% of all basketball related income.  

No system is perfect, but the current one works pretty well.  It lets owners spend more if they want, without locking them into some absurd revenue sharing situation like I described above.  It also does a nice job of getting the players paid.  It also lets players move around pretty freely.  Trade deadlines are active, and the third most popular US sport arguably has the best offseason.  

Same situation for fans.  Most fans don't sit around making up their own trade scenarios.  At best, they regurgitate what the talking heads tell them can happen.  Hard cap or current system, that probably doesn't change much.  But all the exceptions open an entire new aspect of fandom to a small group of people who enjoy that.  While still letting the majority of fans carry on, oblivious to most of that stuff.  

[buddha]

15 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

No, the real problem will be telling 20-25 owners that the current 51% of basketball related income they give the players isn't enough.  How do you think they will react when they are told to move to a hard cap and keep the union off of our back, we will probably have to up the player's share to 70% of all basketball related income.  

No system is perfect, but the current one works pretty well.  It lets owners spend more if they want, without locking them into some absurd revenue sharing situation like I described above.  It also does a nice job of getting the players paid.  It also lets players move around pretty freely.  Trade deadlines are active, and the third most popular US sport arguably has the best offseason.  

Same situation for fans.  Most fans don't sit around making up their own trade scenarios.  At best, they regurgitate what the talking heads tell them can happen.  Hard cap or current system, that probably doesn't change much.  But all the exceptions open an entire new aspect of fandom to a small group of people who enjoy that.  While still letting the majority of fans carry on, oblivious to most of that stuff.  

they already pay more than 51% of bri because the cap doesnt exist and everyone goes over it.  it's a fiction.

its not going to happen because the current system exists.  you cant go back and enforce a hard cap.  instead of dealing with issues in a realistic way - or simply letting the market work - theyve created this unwiedly, overcomplicated mess.  

most fans probably wonder "why cant we trade for x?" and then have to be told that you cant do that because his salary is only x % of the mle and your team is already an apron team and they OBVIOUSLY cant make that move because last year they were in the tax....

what child wouldnt understand that?

[Deleterious]

18 minutes ago, buddha said:

they already pay more than 51% of bri because the cap doesnt exist and everyone goes over it.  it's a fiction.

its not going to happen because the current system exists.  you cant go back and enforce a hard cap.  instead of dealing with issues in a realistic way - or simply letting the market work - theyve created this unwiedly, overcomplicated mess.  

most fans probably wonder "why cant we trade for x?" and then have to be told that you cant do that because his salary is only x % of the mle and your team is already an apron team and they OBVIOUSLY cant make that move because last year they were in the tax....

what child wouldnt understand that?

It changes year to year, I'm sure.  But enough teams were so far below the cap they put a rule in to punish those teams.  Plus, teams that are over will be just barely over.  It was their choice to give 52% of BRI or 55%.  Not the absurd number it would be required to go to a hard cap.

Look, I'm a very casual NFL fan.  I watch our Lions and not much else.  Are you telling me in the NFL I can trade $50 million Goff for a $3 million linebacker straight up?

My guess is, because of the hard cap, I have to trade a $50 million player for another $50 million player.  Or I have to have $30 million cap space and can trade my $50 million player for a $20 million player + my cap space.  If so, that is almost identical to the NBA trade rules.

[buddha]

42 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

It changes year to year, I'm sure.  But enough teams were so far below the cap they put a rule in to punish those teams.  Plus, teams that are over will be just barely over.  It was their choice to give 52% of BRI or 55%.  Not the absurd number it would be required to go to a hard cap.

Look, I'm a very casual NFL fan.  I watch our Lions and not much else.  Are you telling me in the NFL I can trade $50 million Goff for a $3 million linebacker straight up?

My guess is, because of the hard cap, I have to trade a $50 million player for another $50 million player.  Or I have to have $30 million cap space and can trade my $50 million player for a $20 million player + my cap space.  If so, that is almost identical to the NBA trade rules.

houston traded a $40 million player for a bunch of draft picks.  they took no money back.

or be like baseball and not have a salary cap.

if phoenix wants to trade kevin durant for two second round picks, they should be able to do that.

[Deleterious]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

houston traded a $40 million player for a bunch of draft picks.  they took no money back.

or be like baseball and not have a salary cap.

if phoenix wants to trade kevin durant for two second round picks, they should be able to do that.

I had to look it up, and I assume you are talking about the Tunsil trade.  They were able to make that trade because Washington had $40 million in cap space to absorb him.

Good news!

Had Phoenix found a team with the cap space to take on KD's contract, they could also make that trade without taking money back.  Just like the NFL.  

[buddha]

1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

I had to look it up, and I assume you are talking about the Tunsil trade.  They were able to make that trade because Washington had $40 million in cap space to absorb him.

Good news!

Had Phoenix found a team with the cap space to take on KD's contract, they could also make that trade without taking money back.  Just like the NFL.  

deshaun watson, but thanks for making my point for me and undercutting your original argument about the nfl.  trades of huge contracts happen in the nfl and the teams dont even have to accumulate the same amount of salary give or take 10% UNLESS theyve been an apron team for more than six months in january under a full moon.

the nba's stupid salary cap rules dont prohibit trades, obviously.  but it does make them unnecessarily complicated and makes them too often about things other than on court performance or team building.

your mileage - as usual - may vary.

[Shinzaki]

Devin Booker agrees to a 2 year $145 million extension keeping him in Phoenix through 29/30

Seems excessive

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1943114680022581740?t=MZxYLx6kO2jBpBsqQkz-rw&s=19

Edited Thursday at 01:19 AM by Shinzaki

[buddha]

speaking of stupid, devin booker signs a two year extension for $145 million.

how much is stanley making now in the drew league?