buddha Posted October 24 Posted October 24 9 hours ago, oblong said: Well yeah no **** it went on before. I didn’t suggest otherwise. My point wasn’t intended to be about these particular incidents. Im talking about the culture of gambling itself. why make it easier for people and practically sanction it and promote it? It’s an impossible goal to eradicate harmful behavior but it should still something that’s not considered socially acceptable and definitely not part of leagues official business. It’s disingenuous to heavily promote something for the fans that the participants can’t do. Gambling can an addiction I see no practical difference between a player who bets through a bookie or through one of the “real” sites. For any sport. Once they get in that world bad things can happen and it affects the fans perception of the integrity. But who knows. Maybe that doesn’t matter. Maybe they can start bets on whether a game is fixed. As long as theres money to be made by a corporation and some college kid things he can score then it’s all good. but believing that there’s still some iron curtain between legalized gambling and the underworld that Chauncey was a part of is like believing that stripper is just doing it to pay for nursing school and would NEVER go further or that the owner isn’t peddling in underage stuff. If it makes you feel better go ahead and believe it. do you think sports teams should ban alcohol sales and forbid players from drinking? alcohol is addictive too. should they ban facebook and tik tok and other social media sites from advertising, that is said to be addictive too. much of the things we like to do in life have externalities. your tolerance for those externalities is a matter of personal choice. same with the existence of gambling and "gambling addiction." i dont find it bothersome that some people gamble too much. nor do i find it worrisome that leagues want to make money off it, or that its legalized (other than those annoying kevin hart commercials). some people can handle it, and some people cant. i just dont find the argument persuasive that the presence of legal gambling is suddenly infecting the purity of our sporting events with the scourge of greed and gambling. its always existed. games have always been fixed. people have always looked to make money with insider information. same with stock markets. ymmv. and thats ok too. 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted October 24 Author Posted October 24 That sounds like KG was one of the victims. Poker Pro Outed Alleged NBA Poker Cheating Scandal Two Years Ago Quote Two sources familiar with the 2019 games in Las Vegas told PokerNews that the games also included NBA legend Kevin Garnett, who is not named in the indictment and hasn't been accused of any wrongdoing. The sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, did not play in the games themselves. Garnett, aka "KG," is an NBA Hall of Famer, world champion with the Boston Celtics, and one of the all time greats, both with the Celtics and Minnesota Timberwolves. He was the 2003-2004 NBA Most Valuable Player with the T-Wolves, the team that drafted him out of high school in 1995. Garnett, according to our sources, is not suspected of partaking in any illegal activity, and is presumed to have been nothing more a regular player in the alleged rigged game. Quote
Deleterious Posted October 25 Author Posted October 25 Nothing good happens when these idiots get involved. Quote
Hongbit Posted October 25 Posted October 25 It would be a good idea for all of the books to stop offering unders on prop bets. This is easiest way for any player to rig a bet like Rozier did. If the books close that loophole, they get in front of potential government intervention and can say they did something to impact the problem. They want to avoid being forced to stop all prop bets which would cost them billions in revenue. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted October 25 Posted October 25 On 10/23/2025 at 9:02 AM, Hongbit said: I really hope they aren’t ruining his life over playing or even hosting high stakes home poker games. This is aging well. Quote
Hongbit Posted October 25 Posted October 25 13 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: This is aging well. Like a fine chili Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted October 25 Posted October 25 There is help out there.... https://gamblersanonymous.org/ Quote
Deleterious Posted October 25 Author Posted October 25 1 hour ago, Hongbit said: It would be a good idea for all of the books to stop offering unders on prop bets. This is easiest way for any player to rig a bet like Rozier did. If the books close that loophole, they get in front of potential government intervention and can say they did something to impact the problem. They want to avoid being forced to stop all prop bets which would cost them billions in revenue. No book would ever do that. Only offering one side means they are now the gambler and no longer an actual book. They would also kill all liquidity in the prop bet market because they would have to set lines like, Cade Cunningham points over 45, to protect themselves. Quote
Hongbit Posted October 25 Posted October 25 29 minutes ago, Deleterious said: No book would ever do that. Only offering one side means they are now the gambler and no longer an actual book. They would also kill all liquidity in the prop bet market because they would have to set lines like, Cade Cunningham points over 45, to protect themselves. That makes a lot of sense. You are right though, they don’t want to be the gambler. I didn’t think about that and was only focused on avoiding governmental intervention. They could tweak their odds on over props so they are more in the favor. Rather than have Cade at 45 points, they have him at 25 points for -230 odds. Sharps wouldn’t play these markets but there’s so many other fish out there that would. 1 Quote
buddha Posted October 25 Posted October 25 or they could do nothing and let folks enjoy themselves, even though some people will abuse the activity in a way that harms themselves and occasionally others. like we do with so many things. Quote
casimir Posted October 25 Posted October 25 On 10/24/2025 at 7:51 AM, buddha said: do you think sports teams should ban alcohol sales and forbid players from drinking? alcohol is addictive too. should they ban facebook and tik tok and other social media sites from advertising, that is said to be addictive too. much of the things we like to do in life have externalities. your tolerance for those externalities is a matter of personal choice. same with the existence of gambling and "gambling addiction." i dont find it bothersome that some people gamble too much. nor do i find it worrisome that leagues want to make money off it, or that its legalized (other than those annoying kevin hart commercials). some people can handle it, and some people cant. i just dont find the argument persuasive that the presence of legal gambling is suddenly infecting the purity of our sporting events with the scourge of greed and gambling. its always existed. games have always been fixed. people have always looked to make money with insider information. same with stock markets. ymmv. and thats ok too. It’s worth discussion, but I don’t know where the line should be drawn. It does seem like a quantum leap from no gambling to pro gambling once leagues finally realized the revenue they could reap from gambling. Quote
buddha Posted October 25 Posted October 25 1 hour ago, casimir said: It’s worth discussion, but I don’t know where the line should be drawn. It does seem like a quantum leap from no gambling to pro gambling once leagues finally realized the revenue they could reap from gambling. not that we have to compare us to the rest of the world, but they've been having legalized gambling on sports for years. not every country is full of moalistic protestant scolds like america. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 25 Posted October 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, buddha said: not that we have to compare us to the rest of the world, but they've been having legalized gambling on sports for years. not every country is full of moalistic protestant scolds like america. The problem is Americans have to do everything they do do to wretched excess. Edited October 25 by gehringer_2 Quote
Deleterious Posted October 26 Author Posted October 26 Interesting that Silver won't say if Rozier was still under investigation at the time of the trade. The article says the Heat did not know about the investigation. If it was ongoing at the time of the trade, Miami got screwed IMO. Quote
Deleterious Posted October 30 Author Posted October 30 Sounds like the feds have not cleared Beasley. Quote
Deleterious Posted Sunday at 07:36 PM Author Posted Sunday at 07:36 PM Two MLB players were indicted on illegal gambling charges. It didn't sound like it's linked to the NBA stuff. Quote
Screwball Posted Sunday at 08:13 PM Posted Sunday at 08:13 PM US sports betting crisis grows as MLB’s Clase and Ortiz indicted over alleged rigged pitches FTA: Quote Bettors in the US can gamble on whether individual pitches will be balls or strikes. Prosecutors allege claim that Ortiz was paid $5,000 for throwing an intentional ball during a game on 15 June. His teammate Clase, a three-time All-Star, is alleged to have been given $5,000 for facilitating the rigged pitch. Prosecutors claim the pair did so again in a game on 27 June, receiving $7,000 each. Quote Ortiz earned $782,600 in salary last season while Clase, one of the league’s best closers, was paid $4.5m. They have been on paid leave since July while MLB investigated unusual betting activity during games in which they pitched. So a guy who makes $4.5 big ones a year is taking $7 k for rigging a pitch. I'm sorry, not too ****ing smart. Neither is the guy making $782k. Or one might say, none are too ****ing smart. The article also states; Pair could face 65 years in prison if found guilty. Let's see what happens. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted Sunday at 08:39 PM Posted Sunday at 08:39 PM IDK - It doesn't look like money is the draw - although, this is one charge. If they rigged 100 pitches in the course of a season, the numbers could add up. Or it's just the thrill of getting away with something where you still rationalize to yourself it's a victimless crime, so you don't need to feel bad about it? I can't deny there is some merit to that view. Our current attitudes toward gambling seem completely schizophrenic to me. "We are going to provide you with every incentive and opportunity to rig things, but don't you dare or we will be on you like a ton of bricks!" Quote
casimir Posted Monday at 12:07 AM Posted Monday at 12:07 AM 3 hours ago, Screwball said: US sports betting crisis grows as MLB’s Clase and Ortiz indicted over alleged rigged pitches FTA: So a guy who makes $4.5 big ones a year is taking $7 k for rigging a pitch. I'm sorry, not too ****ing smart. Neither is the guy making $782k. Or one might say, none are too ****ing smart. The article also states; Pair could face 65 years in prison if found guilty. Let's see what happens. I mentioned it in another thread. 65 years for this and penalties for other more harrowing crimes are a drop in the bucket by comparison. Quote
Screwball Posted Monday at 12:25 AM Posted Monday at 12:25 AM 16 minutes ago, casimir said: I mentioned it in another thread. 65 years for this and penalties for other more harrowing crimes are a drop in the bucket by comparison. Without a doubt, but I'm guessing they used the max to sensationalize the story. We'll see where this is a few years from now, maybe longer. Quote
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