11/22/26 8:00PM Pistons @ Bucks

[Tigeraholic1]

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[Deleterious]

 

[Deleterious]

Zach Lowe taking about the Markkenan price on his latest podcast. 

He said Harris, Ivey, Holland, four first round picks and four first round pick swaps.

[ben9753]

3 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Zach Lowe taking about the Markkenan price on his latest podcast. 

He said Harris, Ivey, Holland, four first round picks and four first round pick swaps.

Why not throw in LCA, Lake Michigan and the Upper Peninsula as well 

[Betrayer]

31 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Zach Lowe taking about the Markkenan price on his latest podcast. 

He said Harris, Ivey, Holland, four first round picks and four first round pick swaps.

I think most people expect that Harris, Ivey, and Holland would be the floor for a "Star" trade. Add in a first or two depending upon which star we're talking about and you have the framework for a deal.

They get salary relief (Harris), 2 young prospects (Ivey and Holland), and couple picks. Makes sense.

But this package is too much even for JJJ, so I certainly wouldn't pay that for Markannen.

[buddha]

this is what they got for donovan mitchell:

Traded by the Utah Jazz to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Ochai Agbaji, Lauri Markkanen, Collin Sexton, a 2025 1st round draft pick (Liam McNeeley was later selected), a 2026 1st round draft pick, a 2027 1st round draft pick, a 2028 1st round draft pick and a 2029 1st round draft pick. Cleveland also received a trade exception 2025 1st-rd pick is CLE own 2026 1st-rd pick is a right to swap 2027 1st-rd pick is CLE own 2028 1st-rd pick is a right to swap 2029 1st-rd pick is CLE own

[buddha]

2 young players and 5 first rounders.  

markannen is 3 years older than mitchell, so i wouldnt expect them to get that much for him.  plus his injury history.

but utah holds all the cards if someone else wants to match their offer.

[1984Echoes]

2 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Zach Lowe taking about the Markkenan price on his latest podcast. 

He said Harris, Ivey, Holland, four first round picks and four first round pick swaps.

If Langdon can pull off this trade, at a lesser cost...

I give him kudos.

How much lesser? I don't know exactly, but if it were (3) 1st rounders, (1) 1st round pick swap, and a few 2nd rounders... is that good? Can we get him at an even lesser cost than what I lowered it to...?

[1984Echoes]

PS: Can we also give them Sasser, as well? Just for ****s and giggles?

Or Sasser to Utah and we get Walter Clayton as part of the deal?

Clayton is a bit more PG'y than Sasser...

[Deleterious]

52 minutes ago, buddha said:

2 young players and 5 first rounders.  

markannen is 3 years older than mitchell, so i wouldnt expect them to get that much for him.  plus his injury history.

but utah holds all the cards if someone else wants to match their offer.

Well, it was 3 FRP's outright and the right to swap on 2 more.  But Markkanen and Sexton were way better at the time of the trade than Ivey/Holland are now.  But Mitchell at the time was a better player than Markkanen is now, and without the injury history.

It isn't even necessarily about a better offer.  Markkenan has this year and 3 more on his contract.  He has never even hinted at wanting out, and has said he believes in what Utah is doing, suggesting he wants to stay.  There is no reason to move him, other than he might win them too many games and cause them their 1st round pick this summer (protected 1-8).  I think you would have to really wow Ainge with an offer to get him, and that offer Lowe laid out isn't a wow type offer IMO.  

Of course, Detroit should never trade for Markkenan to begin with.  But that is another post.

 

 

[buddha]

1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said:

PS: Can we also give them Sasser, as well? Just for ****s and giggles?

Or Sasser to Utah and we get Walter Clayton as part of the deal?

Clayton is a bit more PG'y than Sasser...

why would anyone want sasser?

[1984Echoes]

3 minutes ago, buddha said:

why would anyone want sasser?

For ****s and giggles?

[1984Echoes]

4 minutes ago, buddha said:

why would anyone want sasser?

PS: Besides, if we're giving up a crapload of 1sts for Markkanen (I'm on board with this... are you buddha (just askin'))... We ought to be able to swing one very minor personnel switch that's in our favor... 

Does including Sasser for Clayton make Utah say "No" to this deal of multiple 1sts for Markkanen? Do they shut down the deal because of this...?

That would seem drastic.

[Betrayer]

42 minutes ago, buddha said:

why would anyone want sasser?

I can think of one GM who would want him, and he happens to also have Trey Murphy III on his team.

[slothfacekilla]

Wow I must really not pay close attention to the NBA, I thought the Lowe proposal was some sort of joke I didn't get, and then I got to the Mitchell trade.  I had no idea NBA teams were including that many first round picks in single trades, wild!

[Deleterious]

Some people feel teams will start to value 1st round picks a lot more.  This is due to how punishing the new CBA is to expensive teams.  Teams will be looking for the cheap talent that draft picks provide.  

 

[buddha]

18 hours ago, Betrayer said:

I can think of one GM who would want him, and he happens to also have Trey Murphy III on his team.

i refuse to be believe weaver is that stupid.

(pauses....remembers james wiseman)

but maybe...

[Deleterious]

You making things up isn't a source.

 

[Deleterious]

 

[Deleterious]

Ivey and Harris were both recalled to the Pistons.  Might not mean much since the Cruise are in Indiana for two games this weekend.  Can't exactly practice with them if they are not here.

[Deleterious]

No clue who this guy is.  Only posting it because them looking to move him makes some sense.

Harris makes $26 million this year.  If they let him walk as a free agent, they are still over the cap next year.  So him leaving via free agency doesn't create any cap space.  Trading him for a player on a longer contract is really the only way to continue using his money.  

 

[Deleterious]

Looks like tonights game will be on NBATV if you have it.

Ivey and Harris are listed as questionable in the injury report.  

[NYLion]

On 11/20/2025 at 4:42 PM, Deleterious said:

 

Of course, Detroit should never trade for Markkenan to begin with.  But that is another post.

 

 

This is the correct answer and at that speculated price, absolutely laughable. I know Utah doesn't have to trade him because he has term on his contract hasn't indicated that he wants out but that price is insane unless it was for a legit superstar.

In any event, if they're paying a high price for a legit #2 option, and I question if he is a legit #2, it's JJJ. He's young enough, signed to term, plays a two way game that fits this culture better than Markannen and has college roots in the state. He seems like the most logical option for a big splash trade which I think is unlikely.

I do think the Pistons are ripe for a bigger trade. They have the young assets, the cap flexibility, tradeable vet contracts, finally have control of their own 1sts and an overcrowded roster with legit NBA players that won't be able to get minutes once all of the healthy guys return. I have no idea how JB finds minutes for everybody but that's why he gets paid the big bucks.

[Deleterious]

 

[Deleterious]

Bringing Ivey back against Cole Anthony is something.