RedRamage

Don't forget Ifeatu Melifonwu with the 3rd round pick. Granted, he hasn't done much this year but he still might turn into something.

So... is Carroll/Wilson the anti-Belichick/Brady? I mean you've got a QB who was considered fantastic who dropped off the cliff when he left Seattle while Geno fricken-Smith moves into Seattle and starts winning and putting up great numbers. Compare that with how NE has dropped off the cliff after Brady left and TB goes on to win a SB with Brady.

Phew... okay, good. I thought based on your comment that you were at least entertaining the idea... not accepting it, but at least thinking that maybe it might work out. Very good to hear you were laughing at it.

First the obligatory disclaimer: I never want to see someone seriously hurt or injured. But having said that, it's SO much more fun to root for a team to lose so you get a high draft pick when it's not your team that needs to lose to get that high draft pick. I can fully rationalize that it makes sense for the Lions to lose to improve draft position (especially with a GM who actually appears to be able to find talent with those picks), but I still find it very, very hard to actually want to lose come game time. But this year? Man, it's just fun to see the Rams lose.

Ewww... I hate that trade. As Buddha nicely put it earlier... I'll defer to people much more talented in prospect analysis than I am (ie, an actual NFL front office)... but at first blush... ewww. I give up a 12th over all and my first 2nd-round pick and wherever we land in 2024 to move up 3 spaces in the first round and 6 spaces in the second round? That just feels like WAY to much price for the small jumps.

The store mannequins at JCPenny look more intimidating than that.

Well, to be fair, winning cures everything. But I completely agree with your thoughts here and it wasn't the clock management that screwed the Lions, it was the that 3rd and 1 play. Whether we blame Goff or Chark or Campbell or Johnson for the play... that's certainly debatable. (Or perhaps we just tip the cap to a better team that got a defensive stop?) Again, whomever you blame... the clock management shouldn't be in the picture. Given the distance and the number of TOs the Lions had, there was plenty of time to go for the win if they pick up that first down. And that doesn't even mention that they were (obviously) in FG range so that have as an option to tie the game is they start running out of time.

Lions did that with McMahan a little bit, didn't they?

I mean, this is what Holmes was supposed to be known for, so it's great to see it playing out... at least so far. I've always hesitant to put too much faith into small sample sizes... but Rodrigo is not really a small sample size anymore.

I guess that's my feeling... I expected this to be a loss... I was worried it would be a blow out (especially with Okudah out). I'm not happy with the loss... they had a chance to win this one. But I didn't expect it.

What the...? Dude. And I thought I had crazy dreams that involved Scarlett Johansson and Jennifer Lawrence. But my dream seems totally plausible compared to what you're wacked out brain is creating.

I think the reason McNeil isn't being celebrated more is that we're all kinda wondering if this is a one-hit wonder game for him or if he'll start to consistently be a force.

Add in Jason "Stickyhands" Cabinda out of the back field and there's no stopping these Lions!

Updated stats. Jags were on bye this week so no changes to Walker. Looking on the NFL player stats page... there are 25 players per page when you sort 'em. Right now Hutch is on page 2 for both Sacks and INTs.

Lake Effect snow will do that. You bands coming off the lake where it falls like crazy under the band, but a few miles north or south of the band will get a lot less.

Rest of the schedule: Bills (7-3) - Bills are the better team... never say never but I'm going to assume a loss. Jaguars (3-7) - Lions should win at home. Vikings (8-2) - It'll be interesting. Can the Lions redeem themselves? I'm going to be pessimistic and same no. @ Jets (6-4) - I think the Lions can win this one. @ Panthers (3-8) - Lions should be able to win. Bears (3-8) - I'll be very disappointed if the Lions don't win. @ Packers (4-7) - Why does it seem like we always play @ GB at the end of the year? Loss. 4-3 the rest of the year is very realistic and of the three losses really only the Bills game is one where I'd feel like we pulled a massive upset. Obviously anything can happen and injuries can effect stuff. Should at least be an entertaining end to the season.

And for those who are Daboll fans, I think it's worth noting here that he failed to plan appropriately or adjust to what the Lions where doing.

I don't think he really is that slow, I think he's just over thinking things too much. Instead of just reacting and going, he's constantly trying to find the homerun, and that means he strikes out way too much. Singles and Doubles aren't as sexy as the HR, but put enough of them together and they'll get the job done just as much as a HR, with a lot fewer strike outs.

If it's more than minimum wage, it's too much. And I mean the Federal Minimum wage... not the NFL minimum.

Not to toot my own horn too much but...

The thing is that not all situations are the same. Campbell obviously though Lynn wasn't doing a good job with the assets he had and felt he could do better. It's possible that Campbell thinks AG is doing the best he can with limited assets. It could be that Campbell is telling AG that he's got to improve massively or he's gone after 2022 and that he's not "firing" AG like he did with Lynn because he (Campbell) doesn't feel comfortable calling the defense and figures they'd be worse so AG is just the best option right now. There's too many variables, imho, to say: Offense is bad, OC fired; therefore if Defense is bad, DC should be fired. There's too many other things that come into play so say if A happened and B didn't happen that it's hypocritical.

Can you imagine all the injuries that would happen from that? It would be an utter madhouse. ...and give the Lions a chance to win on T-Day. Okay, let's do it!

I laughed but I still hate it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again here: Nothing said/posted during a game should count as being "on the record" for an fan. We'll all a bit deranged and knee-jerk reacting during games. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's thought a player should be cut from the team during half time only to see them as potential MVP caliber by the end of the game.

That's a very cynical way to look at it, and it might not be 100% wrong, but I strongly suspect it's also not 100% correct. The reality is that we'll never know exactly all that goes on behind closed doors. You're assumption is that AP was let go because they had to fire someone. But you don't allow that AP was let go perhaps because he wasn't getting the job done with the people he had. A good evaluation of a coach will obviously include what he has to work with. Tom Brady's QB coach and Joey Harrington's QB coach might be putting in the same effort and have the same skill and yet still see wildly different results from their QBs. It is entirely possible, perhaps likely, that AP's group was regressing and/or he wasn't coaching the plays/methods/styles that AG and/or Campbell wanted and that he refused or was incapable for changing after he was told to. It is entirely possible that AP was let go not because of failings on the field but in compatibility with the rest of the staff. You mention that AP should get (some) credit for Okudah, and you're probably right. But should he also not get an equal amount of blame for Oruwariye then? I personally don't disagree that there was probably some level of public image to the firing of AP. The Lions has to show that they were trying to improve the defense. But I also suspect there was more than just picking a name out of a hat of defensive coaches not named AG. I suspect if that they might have done more of a "quiet firing" like they did with Lynn last year if the defense was doing okay. I suspect that it's not a questions of AP being a scapegoat or a legit problem but rather AP being a bit of a scapegoat AND a bit of a legit problem. And the fact that the secondary has seemed to play better since AP's firing lends support to the idea that AP was an issue (admittedly with a small sample size).