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And 1A and 1B are already signed. 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 17-18-19 to go. Get them ALL Harris!!!

Maybe this gets us our hometown discount with Skubes... We shall see...

But at the start of 2027, Skubal will be 30 years old. I know he has tree-trunk legs like Nolan Ryan... and maybe he has zero health issues during a 10-year contract... But is that the best risk for the Tigers Organization? 10 years of Skubal at $40-50 mill per annum at ages 30-39? Can we pay him $52 mill per year for six years so $312 Mill ages 30-35? I would do that... but would Skubal/Boras? The years, even though he's a stud, is the most difficult part. And with a young core coming up, Jobe not even a full year... It looks REALLY attractive to do a timeline reset while STILL remaining playoff-competitive with a Painter-Jobe+ or a Sheehan-Jobe+ rotation. We would be playoff capable in 2026 with either of those packages. And I think we would receive a haul with Skubes. 3 highly regarded pitchers and a couple position players/ studs (depending on the package...)? I'm just guessing... But I am very open for a "reload" if it makes the most sense for the Org. My 2 cents.

Backup Vet PG: Malcolm Brogdon?

Getting MLB or MLB-ready players may constitute a "reload" instead of a capitulation. I prefer the "reload" method that STILL has us hunting 2026 playoffs, even without Skubal. That's why the Dodgers win the offers with Sheehan & Dreyer & Freeland OR the Phillies win with Painter, Kerkering and Crawford.

But we'll do even worse against a starter with close to zero MLB experience...

Have we officially shifted from "scuffling" to "struggling"? Or is it "treading water" to "6-game losing skid"? "Playing .500" to "slump"?

We shall see...

This is not true. Please call Scott Boras for more information.

Who said anything about Harris "publicizing" Skubal up for auction? There IS something called "working the phones", FYI. And Dodgers' Sheehan & Dreyer are IN the majors; Freeland is in AAA... Phillies' Painter and Crawford are in AAA, Kerkering is in MLB since 2023. I did my homework thank you very much.

PS: That would be hilarious if we traded Liranzo & Sweeney back to the Dodgers as part of the "package" along with Skubal for the 5 guys I listed from them...

Probably. But I think "Skubal up for auction" will generate an overpay. At least one. I think we'll get one of those offers, even if we are sending a couple prospects (not our top 5) back. Just my guess.

On that basis... I would say 2025 only... The offers this offseason will be too good for Harris to pass up. Specifically, and especially, when he deems the possibility of extending him at basically zero (Boras and Skubal's insistence on hitting the open market).

Both Hamilton AND Ethan Rogers?

I'm going to guess that this offseason... Harris make an attempt to extend Skubal. Not satisfied with the negotiations, he will decide it is in the Tigers' long-term interest to trade Skubal this offseason. I put together two trade offers, one from the Dodgers, one from the Phillies. The Mets and Yankees simply do not have the horses or prospects to match these two packages... can another team beat either of these offers? Which offer do you prefer: 1) Skubal signs for 10-ish years/ $400-ish million. Moot point. 2) Dodgers' offer 3) Phillies' offer 4) Another teams' offer (details please) 5) You have OTHER ideas... (details please). PS: I would prefer the Dodgers' package. Will they say "too much, no trade"? Dodgers Offer: Emmett Sheehan, 25 yo RH SP; Emil Morales, 18 yo RH 3B; Josue De Paula, 20 yo LH OF; Jack Dreyer, 26 yo LH RP; Alex Freeland, 24 yo SS/3B. Phillies Offer: Andrew Painter, 22 yo RH SP; Justin Crawford, 21 yo LH CF; Orion Kerkering, 24 yo RH RP, Aidan Miller, 21 yo RH SS/3B, Mavis Graves, 21 yo LH SP (NEEDS to be converted to RP though...). Stats of these players: Dodgers: Emmett Sheehan, RHSP, 25 6'5" 220#'s 1.5 years MLB MLB: 2025: 1.05 WHIP, 9K/9, 2.8 BB/9 = 3.3 K-BB Ratio MINORS: 1.0 WHIP, 15K/9 3.8 BB/9 = 4 K-BB Ratio Emil Morales, RH 3B, 18 6'3" 190#'s 0 years MLB MINORS: 21 HR's, .985 OPS Josue De Paula, LHOF, 20 6'3" 190#'s 0 years MLB MINORS: .830 OPS Alex Freeland, SH 3B/SS, 24 6'0" 200#'s 0 years MLB MINORS: .790 OPS Jack Dreyer, LHRP, 26 6'2" 205#'s 1.0 years MLB MLB: 2025: 1.12 WHIP, 9K/9 3.5 BB/9 = 2.5 K-BB Ratio MINORS: 1.1 WHIP, 12K/9 3.8 BB/9 = 3 K-BB Ratio PHILLIES PLAYERS: Andrew Painter, RHSP, 22 6'7" 215#'s 0 years MLB MINORS: (NON-AAA): 0.91 WHIP, 12.5K/9 2 BB/9 = 6.2 K-BB Ratio Justin Crawford, LHCF, 21 6'2" 190#'s 0 years MLB MINORS: .320 BA, .820 OPS Aidan Miller, RH 3B/SS, 21 6'1" 205#'s 0 years MLB MINORS: .780 OPS Orion Kerkering, RHRP, 24 6'2" 205#'s 1.0 years MLB MLB (career): 1.22 WHIP, 9+K/9, 5+ BB/9 = <2 K-BB Ratio MINORS: 0.89 WHIP, 13+K/9 1.8 BB/9 = 7.4 K-BB Ratio Mavis Graves, LHSP, 21 6'6" 205#'s 0 years MLB MINORS: 1.56 WHIP, 12K/9 5 BB/9 = 2.36 K-BB Ratio (NEEDS to convert to Relief)

What is Hamilton's ask? That alone could get us Hamilton if his ask is $500-600K... But I think we will see some more under slot signings... adding to a potential 11th round bonus offer. Just a guess...

So we're still looking for a 2nd pair RHD that actually belongs as a top-4 D because we don't have one...

Omigosh... YES!!! What a BABY-face!!!

What value does Cossa have, right now? What can we get in trade for him, right now?

Sort of like getting Skubal in the 9th... Or we would love to hope so...

POINT!!!

THIS is my point... I agree with Shinzaki. I really don't want to trade away Eugenio Suarez or Isaac Paredes before we even KNOW what we have. It's worth it in my opinion to see what his upside may or may not be... NOT that Cossa is going to be the next mini-Jacques Plante or mini-Gretzky or whatever... I think most of us have gotten to this point. Based on this... and I agree... If I am open to trading anyone, it's Larkin or Cat in order to reset our timeline. Every team having money creates some FA difficulty for us... But a team wanting to remain playoff/Cup-competitive MAY afford us an opportunity by wanting cost-known/controlled Cat or Larkin in exchange for a pending or soon-to-be FA that is 25-ish and going to bust their cap budget. Jason Robertson may or may not be the perfect example. Larkin for Robertson? Our new top line would be Kasper-Raymond-Robertson (I would be EXCITED about that line!!!) and we would figure everything else out around those guys and Seider-Edvinsson and Cossa-Augustine. With lots of other guys getting close to the NHL and on this new timeline... Just my 2 cents.

You misspelled "redacted".

Concur. Buddha's been trying to trade Cossa since we drafted him. No thank you.

Even with last year's finish... (meaning even if Cossa had a great finish instead...) I'm still perfectly fine having a Talbot/ Gibson tandem and making Cossa "PUSH" his way onto the Red Wings roster... Also... any nick of either Red Wings goalie hopefully calls up Cossa directly... so we can see if he is indeed ready to try and hold onto an NHL roster spot. He should have PLENTY of auditions, starting in training camp, for that roster spot. It also allows the Org to keep pushing Cossa for improvements... I hope the kid is doing everything he can to earn that spot. Just my 2 cents.