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If he passes the eye test (Murphy), and not just combine numbers but also on film, and Holmes thinks he's the guy... I'm on board with that.

I would say that might be true if it's a 1st rounder... But if it's beyond that.. I think they'll let that play out in training camp before making an opening season roster decision... injury possibilities or slow development and all that... Or they could just dump him and sign a FA guard to back up the draftee... What do I know...?

The biggest issue with Bresee will be his medicals. Health might be his biggest bust potential... but lack of development is also in there as well... Even if his medicals are good, I'm with you... I don't want to consider him until he's available at one of our 2nd round picks (I don't even want to trade up for him...).

Remember... At this point in time... Vatai is still on the team.

"Let's come to an agreement Tuzz, on an extension, otherwise I WILL trade you..." - SY quote on the phone with Tuzz two minutes ago...

I think it'll be Vancouver's pick next year also... But unless that's a lottery winner or they are just top 5 pick regardless... I'd almost rather have this year's pick at 13-ish because with the Red Wings pick at 10-12-ish... SY can either grab two top talents or make a trade up to get a guy he really wants. Not certain if this is better than a higher pick next year... just thinking out loud...

"An absolute fleece job. Stevie should be brought up on charges for this robbery." PS: Heck yeah... Ditto.

Holy F*+k !!! Just saw that... I guess Stevie is adamant about increasing D size and toughness so.. Hronek is out... Wow!!!

That's why I'm still on board with grabbing Wilson or Murphy (faster than Wilson but I'm not as clear on other athletic aspects/ production/ dominance etc...) at #6.

I just don't see a reason to trade up for them. No, I don't think these QB's are worth it. But that's me. What I think doesn't matter. If another team feels the need, then.... Will a team do it? Don't know. Chances... 50/50? All the Lions need is a team to panic and give us picks because they feel they MUST do so. From our end... we don't care about other teams' panic attacks. But look at the Bears trade up for Trubinsky. If the Raiders offered us, and Holmes accepted, this year's #7 and #70 (3rd rounder) plus next year's 2nd round pick because they panicked to get their guy (Levis or Richardson or whomever)... would you be upset about that? I certainly wouldn't... Now... we just need a team to panic for a QB, and give Holmes a call/ offer to trade... We'll see what happens in the draft. Maybe nothing. I don't think these QB's are worth a trade up. But... we'll see.

PS: Another year and I would've gotten to the Rams trade up for Goff and the Eagles trade up to get Wentz...

I didn't look at last year's trades, but prior to that: 2021: 49'ers traded #12, 2022 1st and 3rd, and a 2023 1st to the Dolphins at #3 to select Trey Lance. 2021: Bears traded #20, 164, and a 2022 1st and 4th to the Giants at #11 to select Justin Fields. 2018: Jets traded #6, 37, 49 and a 2019 2nd to the Colts at #3 to select Sam Darnold. 2018: Bills traded #12, 53 & 56 to the Buc's at #7 to select Josh Allen (and #255). 2018: Cardinals traded #15, 79 and 152 to the Raiders at #10 to select Josh Rosen. 2017: Bears traded #3, 67, 111 and a 2018 3rd to the 49'ers for #2 to select Mitch Trubisky 2017: Chiefs traded 27, 91 and a 2018 1st to the Bills at # to select Patrick Mahomes PS: Remember, it doesn't matter if the QB "IS" a must-trade-for QB, only that the trading team thinks that they MUST trade up to get their QB, whether the guy actually turns into a decent starter or not...

Oh wait... You already posted what I just said. And so much more succinct!!!

PS: One more answer: Because Putin has MADE them an enemy to the West, to Democracy, to the U.S., and others. Putin has specifically expressed his hatred for the United States. You know this, correct? Just asking. I can google specific quotes from Putin and provide them here if you need them. He's attacked several countries militarily, runs a fascist dictatorship in a country that is a lethal threat to everyone in the world, cyber-attacked multiple European countries and America, attacked all of our democracies through election interference and cyberattacks. Etc. Is this not clear? How much Putin HATES us? I think it should be pretty blatant at this point. Don't you agree?

This is a bullshit chart. We were in Afghanistan for over 20 years, 2001 to 2022. And we spent well over a trillion dollars over there not just on the military, but on reconstruction, and rampant Afghani corruption. Siphoning billions and billions into warlord pockets.

Key point.

At first glance, I would say NO! I don't see anything exceptional in this group of QB's that says "must trade up to get him". And other "QB-loaded" drafts have come and gone with teams still finding their guy at picks 7 to 14-ish or so (going on fawlty memory...). So maybe nothing happens. The only hope, IMO, is team desperation that overrides common sense and plops a trade-down plus extra picks into our laps. Can we count on 1 of the Raiders, Falcons, or Panthers for that...? (it only takes one).

PS: "It's not my money..." "And I hope SY can keep us out of cap problems..."

Just asking what everyone thinks... If we had traded for Timo and put him on Larkin's line... What would that look like? Would that line be even more productive because of the matchup... plus whoever is the other forward? Do their numbers go up... or do both of them basically run at the same numbers as they have been, around a point per game? I know our bigger need is a 2C... Just wanted to know what everyone thought about adding a premier shooter to Larkin's line...

I think if the Panthers might be thinking that if they want "their" QB or ANY of the (4) top QB's that they might have to get ahead of the Raiders, who want one. Especially if it comes out Seattle is very high on Richardson and will take him at #5, leaving only Will Levis. We don't even need to pretend on needing a QB. No one actually believes that anyways... Other teams will create the drama. We'll see if Holmes is able to take advantage of that.

I don't see either a QB or OL in the 1st. I would be fine with Robinson in the 1st. You can get good OL'man in the 2nd or 3rd. I don't see a reason to push for one in the 1st when DE/ DT/ CB/ and LB'er, and even Robinson at RB, make a far greater impact on the team. I'm not saying neglect OL, just that there are other higher impact positions for this team. BTW, at least at this point, Vatai is still on the team and the starting RG...

Early news flash so we'll see what kind of evidence comes out... But also, satellites have been excellent at showing battlefield damage, and confirming most, if not all, of Ukrainian wins against equipment (not going to be the same with personnel... obviously a much more difficult confirmation...).

I believe the Ukrainians just obliterated 130 Russian tanks and APC's in a Russian attack on Vuhledar (I didn't see the exact date/ time of attack... I'm assuming the last few hours or so...). That's been one of the latest key battlegrounds, outside of Bakhmut. Russians are making the exact same mistakes they did against Kiev. Walking right into the teeth of ambushes, single file, and getting picked off left & right...

We'll just have to agree to disagree. We're going around in circles right now so I'm getting out. You believe what you believe, and I believe otherwise. We'll see what Holmes does/ decides. That will settle it for me.

All I can say is... I'm glad Holmes is making these decisions and not Motown Bombers. You've locked onto Goff to the exclusion of making any other necessary decisions that benefit the Lions. Wait, you're not his dad, are you?