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Trying to equate a nation going to war against the perpetrators of a terrorist act, With the terrorist act... Is pretty heinous. IMO.

Israel is NOT playing by terrorists rules. They are playing by the international rules of engagement. A hospital is no longer granted sanctuary if combatants are shooting at enemy soldiers from a hospital. That hospital is no longer a hospital, it is a military compound. An architect of a terrorist act against my country, such as 9/11, or Oct 7th for Israel, cannot hide behind the Taliban in a foreign country. Cannot hide behind the sanctuary of an enemies country. Cannot walk the streets with impunity. My country will declare war against a foreign country that provides sanctuary for said terrorist. This has already been established as precedent. And it is internationally accepted as a nation's duty to protect its citizens. A terrorism architect cannot hide in a foreign country's compound, in any location that an assassin (IE: Mossad) can get to him, cannot hide inside of a military annex to an embassy... Without retribution. If you (general "you" to the world, not a "you" to anyone specifically here...) commit an act of terrorism against my country, I will (or my countries military forces or secret agents...) will kill (general... terrorist) you. There is no moral relativity here. Murder my citizens and there will be retribution. Where is the moral relativity?

Bingo! You win!

I think that is pretty much what we are looking at. I'm going to make a couple of adjustments if you don't mind, using your post: First Round: But also probably top-20-ish or, costly to trade up for... 1. Brian Thomas Jr./WR - I think he's the next guy after the top 3 so just a guess: he won't make it past 20, and will be costly to trade up for. I see close to 0% chance Holmes would make a move up for him. First Round: Players more likely to be there for the Lions at 29. Or at least mid-20's so if it's the last guy on Holmes list, he may make a move up for one of these guys: 5. Cooper DeJean/CB - I think this guy is REAL high on the best talent/ best Lions type-of-player fit. 6. Adonai Mitchell/WR - I think this is the one WR who may fall to around our #29 spot that Holmes would ALSO consider drafting. Every other WR, IMO, is no higher than a high 2nd. 7. Graham Barton/OG/OC - I think this guy is ALSO REAL high on the best talent/ best Lions type-of-player fit. 8. Jackson Powers-Johnson/OG/OC - SAME. 9. Chop Robinson/Edge - The one guy with AMAZING athleticism that they might take a chance on. Wasn't as productive as his measurables in college which is the one thing that would give me pause. Do they love him, and does he have enough grit? Maybe they take that chance. If there's not enough there, Holmes passes. N/A. Nate Wiggins/CB - which is why I have these two CB's here. They don't tackle well. Which means I don't think they're even on the Lions board, or are downgraded quite a bit, to 2nd or 3rd round? I don't think the Lions love either of these guys (and watch the Lions draft one of them and I'm a liar...). N/A. Kool-Aid McKinstry/CB - 2nd of two not-a-tackler = persona non grata CB. INJ. Laiatu Latu/Edge - I give him an Injury Grade. I know he was passed medically. But, personally, I don't want to take that chance and I don't want the Lions to take that chance. Don't know what Holmes thinks about that... Second Round (most of these guys are upper half of the 2nd so at #61 they might not be in position, Trice maybe): 1. Zach Frazier/IOL 2. Keon Coleman/WR 3. Jonah Ellis/Edge 4. Ladd McConkey/WR 5. TJ Tampa/CB 6. Bralen Trice/Edge Other guys I think they'll consider in the 2nd: Chris Braswell/Marshawn Kneeland-Edge-Rusher; Xavier Legette/Troy Franklin/Roman Wilson/Ja'Lynn Polk-WR, Braden Fiske/ Johnny Newton/ Michael Hall Jr./ Kris Jenkins-DT's, Darius Robinson-DT/DE, Kingsley Suamataia-OT. I don't know the 2nd round talent as well as the 1st rounders for having a "Lions type of personality"... But there's a lot of talent there, and also just sliding out of the 2nd and into #73 (our 3rd rounder) to feel like Holmes will be able to grab 3 players that we will come to love in future years...

This is what I can respect. Not... quibbling.

I would have ABSOLUTELY ZERO pause killing Bin Laden in an Iranian embassy in Iran, or Syria, or Pakistan... And I think most Americans would be upset if any President said: "Sorry, we had a chance at Bin Laden in an embassy annex primarily occupied by Al Qaeda personnel, including Bin Laden, .... but we passed because it was a military annex of an embassy in a different country." In fact... I think you would be upset about that too. But if not... If you would just pass because of the reasons you have given: then I would put zero value in your opinion that a terrorism architect need only hide in plain sight and be safe from retribution because... reasons. I have no tolerance for terrorists. None.

But it's OK for Iran to kill Israelis in their Argentinian embassy? Isn't an embassy in a different country altogether? And.. Iran has ZERO qualms about crossing that line... Because it's just SO simple for an Israeli team to waltz into Syria and kill an IRGC general in his home (with NO guards? Doubt it. Is his FAMILY at that home? Wouldn't there be an outcry if...?) The IRGC (Iranian general/ ARCHITECT of the Oct 7th BUTCHERY) is HANDS OFF because... he's in an embassy in a different country? Like Bin Laden was in that Pakistani compound? So the U.S. just can NOT go "into a different country altogether" to try to take him out... correct? You're not thinking this through. Just sayin'

More details, if anyone cares: Argentina court blames Iran for 1990s terror attacks on Israeli embassy, AMIA center Branding Islamic Republic a ‘terrorist state,’ ruling says Hezbollah carried out deadly bombings on Tehran’s orders, calls 1994 bombing of Jewish center a crime against humanity By AFP 12 April 2024, 6:37 am BUENOS AIRES — Over three decades after deadly attacks in Buenos Aires targeted Israel’s embassy and a Jewish center, an Argentine court placed the blame Thursday on Iran and declared it a “terrorist state,” according to local media. The ruling, cited by press reports, said Iran had ordered the attack in 1992 on Israel’s embassy and the 1994 attack on the Argentine Israelite Mutual Association (AMIA) Jewish center. The court also implicated the Iran-backed Lebanese Shiite terror movement Hezbollah and called the attack against the AMIA, the deadliest in Argentina’s history, a “crime against humanity,” according to court documents cited by media reports. “Hezbollah carried out an operation that responded to a political, ideological and revolutionary design under the mandate of a government, of a state,” Carlos Mahiques, one of the three judges who issued the decision, told Radio Con Vos, referencing Iran. In 1992, a bomb attack on the Israeli embassy left 29 dead. Two years later, a truck loaded with explosives drove into the AMIA Jewish center and detonated, leaving 85 dead and 300 injured. The 1994 assault has never been claimed or solved, but Argentina and Israel have long suspected Hezbollah carried it out at Iran’s request. Prosecutors charged top Iranian officials with ordering the attack. Tehran has denied any involvement. Argentina has the largest Jewish community in Latin America, with some 300,000 members. It is also home to immigrant communities from the Middle East, in particular from Syria and Lebanon. The judges ruled Thursday that the AMIA attack was a crime against humanity, and blame then-president Ali Akbar Hashemi Bahramaie Rafsanjani as well as other Iranian officials and Hezbollah members. The decision was welcomed by the president of the Delegation of Israelite Associations of Argentina (DAIA), Jorge Knoblovits. He told Radio Mitre the ruling “is very important because it enables the victims to go to the International Criminal Court.” Former Argentine president Carlos Menem, who died in 2021 and was the president at the time of both attacks, was tried for covering up the AMIA bombing, but ultimately acquitted. His former intelligence chief, Hugo Anzorreguy, was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail for his role in obstructing the probe.

To whit: IRAN (in Israel's Argentine embassy): https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/world/middleeast/argentina-iran-1992-1994-attack.html (I'll bet I can find lots more too... this is just one headline): Argentine Court Says Iran Was Behind Israeli Embassy ... The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com › World › Middle East 4 days ago — The ruling opens the possibility for relatives of victims of the 1992 and 1994 attacks to make claims against Iran in international tribunals.

Do you mean like when Israeli embassies are constantly attacked by nefarious entities, with lots of deaths involved? I'd have to look at the history books... But their embassies are CONSTANTLY attacked, by Palestinian groups or Iranian; primarily, IIRC.

No, They did NOT cross a line. See below: That attack was justified. No different than killing Bin Laden in a compound in which he was NOT the only person killed.

Just FYI (you may already know this) but the consulate was bombed because the Iranian architect of the October 7th butchery (the Iranian support/ planner behind Sinwar) was in that location, and was killed. Not a bad reason to take out a consulate. From the POV of the recipient of a terrorist attack.

Ghost was the biggest desperate search for offense Addition this year... And yes, Cat and Kane offer more than Berggren and he's not going to usurp their position on the Wings, so... Find another team desperate for offense who might be willing to take a chance on Berggren... and that probably means a rebuilding team that has the bandwidth to take chances on a player like him... I have no idea what value that has, if anything at all... but I'm hoping it's more than zero.

Baseball karma for Maeda blowing an easy DP yesterday. And also for McKinstry blowing an easy grounder that went right under his glove. The baseball gods give, and they take away. I'll take the weekend split.

You are correct. So really... A tradeable asset (not a prospect) by the Wings... hoping some other organization actually views him as a real prospect.

And following him is a bunch of hot garbage. So if he was the best of a bad draft year then we gotta just live with what we get from him... At least until a better solution presents itself...

I think they view him as a prospect... With definite offensive potential... Who sucks on the defensive side of things.

I have no problem moving Berggren.

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I think Cossa depends on what happens in training camp...

So weird to listen to that. It sounds like something I was dancing to in the late 80's at the South Florida club scene. But they're not Nitzer Ebb, or Front 242, or the Ministry, or Nine Inch Nails, or anything close to that, where I could pinpoint when this came out. What's weird is... Nice touch slicing in Kate Bush. I was also listening to her quite heavily in the late 80's... Before switching over to Sinead O'Connor and 10,000 Maniacs and the Throwing Muses. I mostly left Kate Bush's music after switching over but would go back to a few favorites now and then. This was one of them.

I thought prior to Spring Training it was "his job to lose" because, while Baddoo was mostly dismissed, there was at least the thought that Meadows still had to prove he could hit in MLB, IIRC. And Baddoo, or Greene in CF, were the fallback options. Whereas by the end of ST it was more like "OK, he's got this." But my memory sucks so... Aside from that... I mean... things change... Here's an odd idea: The Org put Wenceel in the OF quite a bit last year in Toledo. Is Baddoo the fallback if Meadows needs some time in Toledo? Or Wenceel Perez? Just a thought/ question.

Tons of coyotes in Utah. They could simply... Maintain.

Again... If Jared Verse and/or Cooper DeJean and/or Adonai Mitchell and/or Graham Barton are getting close to #29, I don't think he would pass on any one of them. If there's only one left, I think he figures out a way to trade up and go get the last guy. But I don't know what that would look like, trade wise. If we're so lucky that all 4 are sitting there at #27, he probably waits and sees who falls to #29. Again, we'll see what he has up his sleeve on Thursday night (25th). That's what makes this so fun... watching Holmes pull rabbits...

I agree with this... Except, I don't think they have enough draft capital to trade up in the 1st. Some moves are too costly. And I believe Holmes takes that, also, into consideration. Again, I agree. But Holmes will calculate not only that, but are there multiple guys he thinks they can get in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and weight the value of going after a 1st round guy, and losing a pick to go get him, versus targeting 4 guys he thinks he can get in the next two rounds, and are they more valuable than 2 guys. I think he is extremely calculating like that. IMO... if I were a betting man... I'd wager he trades down like he did with the #6 pick last year so he can go after more guys that he likes in the top 3 rounds. But we'll see.