buddha

im not lying. you flip flop all the time. ask hendon hooker.

correct.

if the lions traded for lamar jackson you'd reverse every position you took in this thread, just like you did when they traded matt stafford.

some of what you would call lamar's less productive seasons are on par with goff's best seasons. lamar qbr: 42.6 rookie year 83 (one of the greatest seasons in nfl history) 67 50 59 goff: 18, 55, 63, 50, 50, 39, 61 again, the issue with lamar is health, not talent. when healthy, he is one of the best qbs in the nfl.

huge get for michigan bball today. hopefully the admissions department doesnt ruin it.

lamar jackson had one of the greatest seasons in nfl history. jared goff has never been close to as good as peak lamar jackson. the question for lamar is health.

whoops!

i'd put lamar jackson and deshaun watson in tier 2. we'll see if watson can recover his form after missing so much time, but before his suspension he waa dynamic. lamar too before his injuries.

i dont really like or agree with pff stats on most things. i had a subscription for a year and always found their ratings puzzling. admitedly, i dont know football, but ive watched it enough to know good from bad in general. and pff's interpretations were....not what i was seeing. every time i listen to a pff podcast - most of which i like - they have the lions oline as one of the top 3 or 4 units in the entire league. they love amon ra, and they like the direction theyre going. they also think goff is an average qb. probably because he is an average qb. there is no shame in that and you can win with that. but if there is a system that has goff as the #2 qb behind patrick mahomes, that system is flawed.

they need someone to break through, that's for sure.

stafford has better arm strength than goff. he has top 1% arm strength. like red said, goff had a good year last year and we all like him, but he has some weaknesses like a lack of mobility that likely limit his ceiling. the lions are aware of this which is probably why they drafted a potentially more mobile qb in hooker. we'll see if that works out. if not they have goff for two more season under contract and can alwaya franchise him for a third if they like. there isnt any need to do an extension now (unless they want some cap relief this year or next).

if stafford were still a lion and goff were still a ram, this board would consider goff a middle of the pack at best qb and stafford as a top 5-10 qb.

the only reports from mini camp that mean anything are the injury reports. everything else is fluff.

jared goff is so good, he could have taught jeremy bonderman a changeup.

would you take gradey at 5? would you take him over hendricks?

i like gradey too, but not at 5. i think there are players available at 5 who have more upside.

is gradey's upside devin booker?

they passed on donovan mitchell to take kennard because they "needed shooting" and kennard was a good shooter in college. if they traded back to draft gradey, it seems like the same play. a guy who can shoot and they need shooting. gradey seems like he's destined to play for golden state.

d*ck seems like a taller luke kennard.

whitmore is 19. far from a finished product.

clean hit. eichel tripped.

if only riley greene were playing this game might be 8-5!

wants at 5 assuming scoot and miller arent there: cam whitmore taylor hendricks wants if they trade back a bit: gradey d*ck coulibaly🇲🇫 cason wallace

can you play duren and lively at the same time and have any semblance of court spacing?

i think the only person who dislikes avila more than me is chas. lol.