SeattleMike

And yet there were many on message boards and in the media (Lynn Henning) who complained that the Tigers had mortgaged their future with this trade. I guess the fear was that Miggy wouldn't sign a long term deal.

Wasn't that a Jim Leyland saying?

Every rotation needs a Porcello. Let's hope Manning can be at least as good as Porcello was.

Time to give him his shot. He’s 23 not 21. Been raking for 2 plus months. Is this decision being determined entirely by MLB housekeeping rules?

Who knows if Bigbie will pan out, but is this further evidence that the complete overhaul of the developmental staff is yielding positive results? Carpenter last year. Bigbie this year. Meadows huge strides. Perez to a lesser extent. Plenty of busts but that is the nature of the business. I just don’t remember over a two-year period so many guys in the Tigers system making significant strides. Probably just brings us to the middle of the pack in terms of development successes but that’s progress.

If that is how it plays out, a big if, that would be a very young starting lineup. Assuming Carpenter, Baez, Tork, and Rogers round out the starting 9 that is an average age of 25.6. More growing pains.

Thank god the mlb app allows you to switch to the radio feed. And this year it's synched up pretty well. Apple TV offers the same, which I discovered yesterday thanks to a tip on here. Too bad you guys in blackout zone don't have that option.

Thanks for heads up. Been listening to Dickerson on mlb app but difficult to synch.

Is LOB% skill or luck? The Tigers are top 10 in WHIP. Top 5 in walks, average in K/9, top half in hits allowed, average in HRs allowed. Every other team ranked in the top 10 in WHIP is among the league leaders in fewest runs allowed per game. By most metrics the Tigers defense is decent. In some really good, in others ok. The one metric where they really stink is in allowing men on base to score. They are 29th in LOB%. This says to me they been pretty unlucky.

One of the things I liked about Leyland. He always called BS on chemistry. I think the only real intangible he believed in was professionalism.

Yeah, there is more good pitching than hitting in this year's free agent class so replacing ERod with someone comparable or better is very doable.

Everyone remembers the Martinez trade, which was atrocious and haunted him the rest of his tenure. From that point on I'd say, in all fairness, that his deadline deals were ok. Verlander yielded a catcher who this season ranks in the top half of regulars at his position in RC+. Getting an impact player would have been better, but as others on this board have noted rarely do these deadline deals yield that kind of talent. The other 2017 trade netted two pretty good players for practically nothing. Avila and Wilson for Paredes and Candy. In 2019 he traded Castellanos and received Lange. Not bad, considering at the time of the trade Castellanos was slumping (95 OPS+ in July) and had a rep as a bad fielder (well earned). Later deadline trades: Greene for Wentz, who may still prove useful, Martin (with his 97 OPS+ at the time) for Castro, who, hey, is still in the league, Norris, badly damaged at the time, for Olson, who may prove more than useful, and Fulmer, for Long-Gibson, who is pitching well at AA. Yes, the Fiers trade in 2018 netted nothing, and I know I'm missing a few other clunkers. But considering the underwhelming assets Avila had to trade, I'd say he performed ok at the trade deadline, after the Martinez mess. He failed as a GM for many reasons, but trade deadline deals were the least of his problems and maybe weren't really a problem.

Maybe he was a part (a bit of a throw in) of the ill-fated Rodriguez deal?

No. Most of these guys are fighting to establish themselves in the league. Coasting will get you the boot. The issue is talent and ability. That’s lacking.

Same old story.

Or play more games in, say, Comiskey (or whatever it’s called these days).

So he played for the Tigers in 67 not the Pirates.

That baseball card lists a year in Pittsburgh. But Price didn’t play in the majors until 1968. I see quality control was lacking back then as well.

Yeah, what happened with that?

You are down one in the 9th with the tying run at first. And Haase and Baez represent your last hopes. Ouch. In terms of Baez outcomes at the time he signed he must be performing at the 10th percentile. Better than Austin Meadows mind you but still brutal.

You’re still keeping track?

If he were surrounded by veterans contributing at above replacement level his periodic 0-9s would barely be noticed.

Is this Sportz from the old board? That guy was contentious as heck.

That Trayce Thompson?

Yeah, I've somewhat enjoyed this season, for all the reasons Budda cited. Contention was a silly dream. Having said that, yesterday was downer. C'est la vie. On to Miami.