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Bane and Murphy are roughly the same level of player.
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1sts always have value. Orlando traded for Bane with mostly 1sts going the other way so the Pistons can make a bigger trade if Langdon is willing to part with a chunk of his assets which I don't think he will. It will be a Powell signing, I'll bet anything on it.
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Terrible use of assets. There must have been some issues behind the scenes or his knees are really shot because on the surface it's really odd to trade him as a salary dump. If this is to clear space for Herro or Powell consider me underwhelmed.
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He's a lot more explosive than Sasser but doesn't shoot as well. The Pistons are swinging for upside with this kid, he's pretty young.
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Taking a little guard wasn't at the top of my list but I know a lot of people liked him so what do I know.
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The Hawks and Warriors were apparently two of the main suitors for Murphy with these picks so maybe there's an opening for the Pistons to make a pitch now.
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I'm just saying that Herro fills a bigger offensive need, he's a more diverse offensive player and he's also way younger. The defense is obviously a big problem but I'm speaking strictly offensively.
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Soooo you disagree that Herro is a better playmaker?
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No chance, other teams like Atlanta and the Clippers have far better draft picks to offer.
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That and he's old and doesn't have any playmaking chops so the Pistons would still have the problem of Cade having to do all the playmaking and ball handling. He's essentially a Duncan upgrade which is fine but doesn't fit a big need. The reason why I prefer Herro over him is because Herro has some playmaking ability to alleviate some of that load from Cade, Powell doesn't really provide that.
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It's impossible to judge him since he's only gotten limited opportunity so I don't know how anyone can say two years out that he's one of the worst players in the draft. The other guys you mentioned are on way worse teams and got more opportunity. The biggest issue with the Holland pick is that he's redundant on this roster with Ausar in the starting lineup so unless he develops that three point shot he'll never got a starting opportunity here but I do feel he has the ability to start somewhere. In any event, including him in a deal for Herro isn't the best way to maximize his value. It's likely that this is the highest his value will be because he's unlikely to get an opportunity with the Pistons so Langdon would be wise to trade him this offseason in a bigger package for a better player than Herro. Look at the bright side, at least the Pistons didn't sign Trae Young for 4 years $212m so no matter what the Pistons do it could be a lot worse.
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Herro comes with his red flags of which I've acknowledged, and I certainly wouldn't pay the price that's been rumored but I think you guys are underrating what impact a scorer and improved playmaker like him would make alongside Cade. I think he's a guy that would help even with the defensive deficiencies and give the Pistons a dynamic that they don't have currently. If I had the choice of paying the equivalent of two 1sts (that's been rumored for Herro) or 4 1sts for Murphy, I'd choose the latter but I'm also saying that Murphy has his flaws as well. He's not much of a playmaker, he's not really the 3 and D guy you're seeking and he's more of a SF than PF so I question the fit alongside Ausar but his contract is a huge selling point and he's probably the best two way player of the rumored group of guys the Pistons were in on although that's not saying much.
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Yeah, I'm ok with adding Herro but Stewart+1st is too rich for my blood. Stew+filler should be enough, the Heat and Bucks need the Pistons to pull off this trade so they should have leverage in this situation.
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Where are you getting a guy that is a 20+ ppg scorer and a high end defender? Those guys just aren't available. All these guys mentioned that might be available, Markannen, MPJ, Murphy, Herro etc. All these guys have defensive decencies even though they can shoot. Murphy might have more length but he's not a good defender. Maybe it could improve here in a different system but he's not currently and he would cost a crapload of assets more than Herro. Are you willing to give up the equivalent of 4 1sts for Murphy? That's what your likely giving up to pry him from New Orleans whereas Herro would likely only cost one of those assets. My point is that there is no perfect solution here. Herro wouldn't be my #1 option by any means but he could help. I've seen this guy play, he's a bucket. He can go hot and cold but that's the case with a lot of these guys that aren't franchise players. He might very well get hunted defensively so yes that's a problem but you just hope that he produces enough offense to make up for that whereas Robinson just wasn't good enough offensively to do so.
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The difference is that Herro can make it up with his shot making, Robinson was just a spot up guy mainly. The Pistons aren't getting a high end two way guy, those guys aren't available. Their biggest weakness currently is a #2 scorer and Herro can fill that role and for way less assets than Murphy would cost and Murphy isn't a good defender either tbh.
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I have a lot of time for Herro. I think the Pistons are one of the few teams that could hide his defensive deficiencies and he's a high level shot maker.
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I think he's being undervalued because he plays such a mature game already so the perception is that he has a lower ceiling than most of the other top 5 prospects but I see a high floor and high ceiling with him. He has the best basketball IQ of any prospect in this draft IMO and IQ is what takes you very far in this league. I'd consider him at 1 especially over a guy like Peterson who is way too boom/bust for my liking.
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I don't understand why anybody would want to hoard picks at this stage. The Pistons have made the playoffs two straight years taking a sizeable step each year and they have a top 10 player in the league just entering his prime. The time is now for constructing a championship contending roster and as we saw last year and as anybody can see on paper, the Pistons need to add at least one significant piece if they want to compete with the elite of the league. The #21 pick or any late 1sts in the future aren't likely to be that piece they need and even if they are it won't be for years. If they can parlay 3-4 of those picks into a high level starter then you have to do it. IF you look at all the past Championship teams, they've added a big final piece to the roster by trade. I could down the list but anybody who is a basketball fan knows the names. Just to keep it Pistons championship team centric, Dantley then Aguirre and Sheed to name three, Laimbeer and Rip early in the process. At some point the Pistons are going to need to make that big trade to complete the team.
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That would be a hard no for me if that's the ask.
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Bridges was also considered largely a 3 and D guy when he got traded even though he showed some self creation ability in Brooklyn. I agree with you in theory that it's an overpayment but buyers generally overpay in this market going back years now and that Murphy contract is a thing of beauty in a rising cap NBA world, a contract barely more than what Tobias got per year to put it in perspective so he's going to cost a pretty penny. Ultimately I don't think a trade will happen because I bet that Duren will be the ask from the Pelicans and I don't see Langdon dealing him.
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Bane is a bit more of a playmaker but their numbers are fairly similar with maybe a slight edge to Bane but when taking contract into account that's what boosts Murphy's value with his contract being quite a bit cheaper than Bane's for the same term. I can't see him costing less than 4 1sts based on the market and because the Pelicans don't have to trade him now.
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I think Murphy is going to cost a ton. The market is very robust for sellers, just look at the Bane trade as the most recent example and I think Murphy is very much on that Bane level and maybe even worth more because of his bargain contract. That's the thing too, the Pelicans don't HAVE TO trade him because he's signed for 3 more years so it will take an offer they can't refuse to part with him. I'm thinking Holland, Stew plus 3 1sts at minimum. I like Murphy and all but that feels pretty steep, that's probably the market however.
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I agree that trading Murray is a longshot but there were some rumors out there that he might be available. I think Braun could be tradeable because he had a good upward trajectory before the setback this season and is young enough to bounce back. I'm sure they'll attempt to trade him to free up money rather than trade Watson who has a higher upside but I'd love if he became available, he'd be one of my top targets. Ayo Dosunmu has been one of my favorite targets going back to the trade deadline so I hope Langdon is targeting him.
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I think they'd look to trade Braun or maybe even Murray to fit in Watson rather than trading Watson.
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He can't even shoot outside of 5 feet. Imagine paying two guys who can't hit a three or even a mid range jumper over $70m/yr? That's what we're likely facing with Duren and Ausar.
