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If he adequately replaces Jamo then this is a justifiable trade, anything less and it's poor value IMO. I mean, if he's another Tim Patrick level guy, that's just not good enough for what they gave up.
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Alim McNeil and Kerby Joseph were his first two 3rd round picks. Why this man doesn't want to cook with more picks is beyond me. I get that they have an overcrowded roster but these are long term picks in the mid to late rounds, draft a bunch of guys and you're bound to find a diamond or two in the rough the way this regime drafts and if you do give up that much draft capital you better be sure this prospect is not only going to be a starter but an impact starter. Quite a leap of faith for a player that's going to be a #3WR at best for the next one or two years.
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Baffling trade up for Teslaa unless he's a long term Jamo replacement. Swapping two 3rds for two 6ths to move up 30 spots into the late 2nd round is a hefty price to pay for a long term #3 WR if he's not being pegged as a long term replacement. Even the trade up for the Ratledge seems like a slight overpay but that's a pick that makes way more sense and fills a big long term, and likely short term depending on what one thinks of Glasgow, need. Like the picks to build up the trenches but there's still a sizeable need at EDGE which doesn't appear will be filled unless Za'Darius is coming back. IF Davenport can merely give them a half seasons worth of play the way he played last season that would be a big help but, lets be honest, he's not even going to make it out of Training Camp without injury.
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Cade is a very good player, star player even, but it's hard to elevate him to superstar status until he starts to take over in big games. He's kind of shrunk in the big moments in this playoff series and the Knicks have owned the 4th quarters as a result. He can't be passive with this team, he needs to be THE guy when they need him and he hasn't done that in this series. Also, Beasley has been terrible. For anybody who was previously worried about losing him because he'd cost too much. Well, worry no more.
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No chance, same with Pearce which is why I find it odd that Atlanta gave up a huge haul to jump presumably the Lions to get him.
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Pretty underwhelmed by the Williams pick, not a fan of taking run stuffers that high even if he has the potential to be a bit more than that. Also, considering the absolute haul teams were getting for trade downs all night, I'm a bit disappointed that the Lions couldn't execute one. Just have to trust Holmes on this one. I do like that it was a trenches pick, Williams and McNeil could be a fun duo to watch going forward.
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True but this schedule is certainly tougher. They play all of The Final 4 from last years playoffs on the road all of whom that are considered Super Bowl contenders again this season depending on what one thinks of Washington, the Rams, Bengals who should be much better one would think and of course the brutal NFC North which it's hard to imagine that they'd sweep on the road again. Brutal schedule. I could see them going 5-4 or 4-5 on the road. The home schedule is way easier and they're going to likely need to sweep it to compete for the division title. I have a lot of faith in the team but that's a gauntlet of a schedule.
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Holmes history dictates that the Lions aren't standing pat and I lean towards trade up over trade down.
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Jamo is as good as gone in a year or two IMO and out of the Gibbs, Branch, LaPorta and Campbell quartet, I could see LaPorta being the odd man out. One or two of these guys are getting moved or just let go, we should come to terms with that. Just keep drafting well and the Lions will be fine. My biggest concern is that they had two golden opportunities the last two seasons to win a Superbowl or at least get there. Up 24-7 against the Niners in the NFCG and 15-2 last year while they had cap flexibility with a bunch of key players on rookie deal. This is Year 3 of the Superbowl window IMO and the last year with cap flexibility depending on how they stagger the new contracts so the clock is ticking because the cap crunch is coming and the Lions are going to have to pay the piper eventually. Teams that don't have elite of the elite QBs have relatively brief SB windows, the Lions need to cash in on that the next few years (this year in particular) because it's only going to get tougher. Looking at the schedule this year? Yikes, the Lions are going to have to REALLY earn it this year. It has to be one of the toughest schedules in the league. There will be no 15-2 this year.
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Zero chance they trade for Hendrickson or any other big name player. Holmes made this clear in his last presser and also made it clear that he won't be able to keep all his current guys even so that should slam the door shut on any Hendrickson or other big name player ideas.
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They'd be trading Jamo because of future cap issues so they're not trading for a guy that will likely command an even bigger contract. It makes no sense to trade Jamo now. He's not going to net a return that would make it worth it and they have 2 more years of team control, cheap rookie contract next year then they can franchise tag him the year after like the Bengals did with Higgins. Then let him walk if he's so good that he'll be too pricey to retain and get a 3rd round comp pick so you squeeze 2 more years out of Jamo and still get a 3rd anyway.
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Pistons almost gave it away again but Schroder bailed them out , would like to see Cade more aggressive when the Pistons need a 4th quarter bucket. They could easily be up 2-0 in the series, it feels like they controlled the majority of the first two games. Hopefully Stew can get back for Game 3 with two days off in between, that would be huge.
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Cade, Ausar and Duren were not ready for playoff basketball, all three were hugely overwhelmed. The vets played lights out for most of the game then cooled down in the 4th and the team was cooked once that happened. If Stew is too injured to be at his best I think the Pistons get swept, he's the anchor of their defense and the Knicks were getting everything they wanted at the rim the moment he went out.
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He has a dirt cheap contract for next season and the Lions can franchise him the year after so unless they're getting the offer of a 1st for him (not going to happen) then it makes more sense to hold on to him and if he progresses even further and is due for the really big payday then that would be a good problem to have to trade him at high value or pay him. I see zero chance of that happening this season, no draft pick is going to bring what Jamo brings next season and the Lions are in win now mode next season.
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I'm not saying that the historically great season isn't good enough, what I'm talking is the baseline these coaches had to work with before this season. Bickerstaff took over one of the worst teams in league history with a roster that had question marks all over it including Cade btw while the other two coaches took over teams that had contending rosters already. Not taking away from what Atkinson and Daigneault have done and if either won CotY I wouldn't begrudge it but the reality is that they had tremendous, proven rosters to work with coming into this season so they had a very strong baseline to work with. There is something to be said for the jump from good to great to be tougher than the jump from bad to relevant but the Pistons bad was so bad so historically bad that to jump to a playoff position immediately is arguably the biggest turnaround in league history so I just have a hard time not having Bickerstaff first because of that. Anyway, as you said there is no criteria for coach of the year so it's all just opinions at the end of the day and it's fine to agree to disagree. Coach of the Year doesn't mean much in the grand scheme either way.
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The roster is arguably worse than last year, they had Cade and Ivey last year. The Pistons added some solid vets but most people were scoffing, here included, at the Harris and Beasley signings and THJ trade so some serious hindsight here if anybody says to the contrary although I think a few liked the Beasley signing as a decent vet add. Every young player has progressed this season and while these are talented guys, I'd like to think coaching has at least something to do with it and/or distancing from the Monty stench. Actually, Del brought up a good point about Tyronne Lue. He should also get consideration keeping them in the playoff race with all the injuries they've had to deal with, I've always felt like Lue was underrated as coach but I digress.
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Come on Buddha, we've been posting here a long time and you've never EVER been guilty of overrating a Detroit team lol. You're quite the opposite actually, lets be honest here. This is not an award, or shouldn't be, for the coach that coached the best team. It should be coach of the year, the coach that did the best job, did the most with least. Again, OKC and Cleveland were already very successful teams while the Pistons were arguably the worst team in league history and the Pistons are solidly a playoff team just like THAT under Bickerstaff. I'm sure you, just like everybody else, thought that 30 wins would be a successful season so lets not pretend like any of this was close to expected then they lose Ivey and even less so. Just about everybody pegged OKC and Cleveland as real contenders coming into the season and, yes, each team took another step forward but there was a base of a title contending core with both. Those coaches did a great job but Bickerstaff took on the much harder job with far less resources and somehow turned it around in one year engineering one of the biggest turnarounds in league history, to reiterate. That's coach of the year to me
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Again, it was an 11 win jump. OKC was already a Championship contender last year, they just happened to be even better this season. Do you remember how bad the Pistons were last year? Maybe not because I do, they won 14 games last season and were solidly in the playoffs this season, one of the biggest one season jumps in league history. I don't know why you're diminishing that accomplishment a team, btw, that was missing their 2nd best player most of the season. I'm not saying that the other two aren't worthy candidates but what Bickerstaff has accomplished is a miracle quite frankly, those other guys had very good teams going into this season.
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Good win and also illustrates why it'll be tough to justify paying Duren because Stew is the guy you want out there in the 4th against quality bigs. The Pistons likely don't win this game without Stewart's defense.
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He won't be back this year unless the Pistons go very deep in the playoffs but it's still a good sign of progress that he's cleared this soon. On another note, the Western Conference race is bonkers. Before the games last night, 5 teams were tied with the same exact record. There are going to be two championship contenders dropped to the 7-8 seed. The west continues to be the far better conference for what feels like the last 20 years.