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Easily. In fact, there's probably not even a handful of seasons in which they were even considered top 10 before a season. This is completely new territory for any Lions fan under the age of 80.

You know it's a trash draft when Clingan is getting top 5 mention. Dillingham would be mid teens in most drafts as well.

Can't tackle high, can't tackle low, can't tackle in the middle now. Cool, Cool, Cool.

You're right. Regardless, they've gone from 23 to 17 to 12 which isn't reaching 17. At this rate, they'll win 2 by '25-'26.

Can you imagine being a 19 win team then getting progressively WORSE the next 2 years? The suck is unprecedented. Sadly, this might not even be rock bottom. Just wait until they max injury prone Cade and throw the bag at Tobias this offseason. I wish I could throw a shoe at Gores.

Haven't seen one minute of the last 3 games and my life is better off for it. The thing is, the season has been bad enough but there's nothing to look forward to in the offseason. This draft is THE worst I've ever seen and I don't think it's close (maybe the Anthony Bennett draft comes close in terms of hype going in, not looking at Giannis, Gobert, McCollum etc. in retrospect), there's nothing in free agency to get excited about and nothing on the trade market currently that looks all that enticing unless one gets excited about Dejonte Murray. I can see it now, they draft some prospect who is years away from making impact if ever then they see a Bogey-level guy (Tobias?) and run it back with this core. Oh yeah, and the token reclamation project that this bum GM loves to hang his hat on. This makes me long for the Reggie Jackson/Drummond era. Hell, this might be worse than Charlie V/Gordon/Smith. Didn't think that was possible yet.... here we are.

I wasn't making light of any domestic abuse, a man putting his hands on a woman (or vice versa) is unacceptable but I was talking about the difference between striking a woman and the alleged attempting to throw her out of a 3 story window. One is domestic abuse, the other is attempted murder. I'm just saying that, by law, the latter is far more serious than the former.

Kareem Hunt too. Unless Sutton is serving jail time, he'll get back in the league if it's just a common domestic abuse issue and not some of the horrendous things that have been rumored.

They needed to add two DBs even with Sutton. I highly doubt that the Lions knew about this for 2 weeks.

Yeah, Gilmore is who came to mind immediately.

If the allegations are true, they are going to cut bait with him WAY before June 1st so I don't see that being an issue.

Well, this is bad. Putting aside the football aspect of it which is relatively unimportant, these allegations are really bad and him allegedly evading the police makes it even worse. It's prudent to wait for my details to come out before burning him at the stake but, yeah, not looking good for Cam to say the least. In terms of the football aspect, the Lions should act quickly with this so they can move forward while there are still some free agents out there because you don't want to shoehorn yourself into needing to draft a corner with a high pick.

I think Holmes would have done this regardless but now it opens up more options at the draft where they aren't pigeonholed into taking a CB and/or guard with the top 3 picks because they have legit starters at those positions now. I still see a few immediate needs in #2 or #3WR because we don't know what Jamo is right now and a vet safety but neither are critical needs like Guard and Corner were headed into the offseason.

It's not a matter of trading them just for the sake of trading them but more of a recognition that it's hard to find a fit for Ivey here and that Duren is fairly limited in what he can do in todays' game. Also knowing that their value might be at its peak right now if the team continues to lose with these mismatched pieces. I think it's extremely unlikely that they trade Duren but Ivey is absolutely trade bait. They can't just run it back with these guys and just work around the edges of this roster. They need players that are not only more advanced in their development but also fit better. I don't ever see a core of Cade, Ivey, Ausar and Duren being even a regular playoff team in this league nevermind championship caliber.

I see that Casper Grimes was out again. Good trade Troy, guy can't even get on the court.

Great signing, he's exactly the guy I wanted the Lions to sign for a short term solution. Elite pass blocker. Still need a long term solution but couldn't think of a better short term solution. If Holmes does nothing else, this free agency period is a success but with all the talent on the receiver and safety market I would like to see one of those positions filled before the draft. Still need a #3 WR and a vet safety so either would suffice.

Yep, been saying this for a while. Serious Drummond vibes. Duren is stronger than Andre and has much better touch at the free throw line (which is important for a big man) but the low IQ stuff and lazy tendencies, not to mention lack of rim protection give me the Drummond vibes. If it was up to me, Cade and Ausar are the guys I build around. I wouldn't trade them for an underwhelming return but Ivey and Duren would absolutely be up for auction to bring in more advanced players that fit better.

Cade has progressed nicely offensively this season so don't want to criticize him too hard but that was real braindead of him to not only not take the last shot but to hoist up a 3. It's that type of heroball that I wouldn't expect from him. Of course if Monty even cared one bit about coaching, he would have called a timeout to draw up a play and burn it into their brains that they need to be the ones taking the last shot not Miami. Just more Monty stuff in a long line of errors but I digress.

For sure, it's a low risk move and signals based on the contract that perhaps they see DPJ as more of a depth guy so we'll see. Holmes loves loading up on offensive weapons so I wonder if he has another trick up the sleeve before the draft, like a CJGJ signing but on offense. Plenty of solid receivers still out there.

Really not a fan of DPJ, still have a hole at receiver. I would have preferred to bring Reynolds back who we know has synergy with Goff. DPJ is younger and fits the physical profile of the type of receiver they need so that's a plus but he was mostly invisible in his time here. I hope Holmes isn't done adding to the receiver room.

I like the competition. The division was a relative cakewalk last season so I knew that wouldn't last. The Lions are the top dog now and the team that's being hunted so it was always going to get tougher going forward, should make for some fun division games.

I think Josh is the likely signing but Tyler Boyd would be my choice of the realistic solutions, might be bit pricey though. The receiver market is flooded with good players.

Better than Snacks. Higher QB pressure rate.

Reader is a big add literally and figuratively. If you look at his sack numbers you'd think "what's the big deal" but his pressure rate is on the high end for DTs and he frees up other guys with his ability to take on double teams, not to mention fortifying the run defense even further. Health is a concern but if healthy, he's a game changer for this defense. Contract is great, to state the obvious. Now, I'd like to see a receiver add (I still think Reynolds re-signs) and a guard although that'll likely be a draft add.

Yeah, I'm thinking Reader to the Lions is likely now as long as he passes the medicals. At least I sincerely hope because he's a game changer for this defense.