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As an Edmonton Oilers and Pistons fan who isn't the biggest Holland fan although he has done some real good in Edmonton, Holland had an infinite amount of credibility compared to Weaver. Putting aside his accomplishments in the first half of his Wings tenure in particular, Holland was also one of the most respected GMs in the league and was massively connected throughout NHL circles. Weaver will be lucky to find another NBA job at least as head GM, he might land an assistant job perhaps back with Presti in OKC.

So they hire a new President but he has to keep Weaver? How is that a "sweeping" change. Imagine going 74-244 and actually keeping your job? This would be like coming in late to your job like 3-4 times a week for 4 years and getting a vote of confidence that your job is safe. Tom Gores ladies and gentlemen.

I don't know much about the last 2 names, meh on Horst and Hammond but for the hilarity of it, I'd love it if Gores hired Casey as PoBO just so I can manically laugh like Walter White in his crawl space (for those who know the Breaking Bad reference) and to see the fallout from fans and media to that decision. Only Gores hiring himself or Arn Tellem as President would be funnier/sadder?

Coleman doesn't pass the turd test so I highly doubt he's on the Brad/Dan radar. I don't see any of those pass rushers getting out of the teens even (although who knows). Darius Robinson seems like a popular pick for the Lions at 29, I'm a bit skeptical of him though. Not a great sample size of production, same with Chop Robinson. I agree on guard/center. I know Frank was taken late 1st but I prefer to get those guys in the middle rounds, I want more of a playmaker at 29 whether it's receiver, corner or EDGE.

I like him too or Powers-Johnson as well because in addition to being a good player, a guy like "Powers" is destined to be a great offensive lineman. I just really want a dynamic playmaker on either side of the ball and Legette is a guy I've always really liked and felt he's been undervalued because he's relatively unproven but....if they want to strengthen the offensive line for the next 10 years I'm good with that.

I know the Lions are good now so there isn't nearly as much draft talk but since we're under 2 weeks now, I'd like to get the pulse of Motownlions to see who you guys like, your draft crush or which positions you prefer that the Lions target. My crush is Legette, he gives me serious Deebo vibes and he definitely fits the Holmbell grit quota. I know that offensive line and corner are long term needs and short term in the case of corner but I really want to see a playmaker with the 1st rounder whether it be receiver or EDGE rusher.

I don't think the fans care enough to. In any event, This is the worst season I've ever witnessed of any sports team of mine, even worse than the 0-16 Lions because at least there was a Stafford to look forward to and that team had zero expectations of doing anything, they weren't Year 4 of rebuild and still won literally nothing. The previous 3 you can understand because they were true rebuild years and there was some progress to be talked about at least, there were a few years post-Isiah that were really rough but they immediately got Grant Hill out of it then they got competitive pretty quickly. 2010-2020 was rough but there were a few competitive seasons thrown in there even if there was no hope for them to be anything more than mid. This season from the record losing streak to injuries to the worst coaching job I've ever seen to whatever the hell this roster has been since Casper Grimes, Ausar, Stewart, Tech and now Cade have been shut down to Gores sounding like a bumbling idiot blaming the fans for not appreciating the Pistons for their community work to the lack of progress from just about all the young guy, all leading up to one of the worst ever drafts and free agency classes with not much on the trade market (as of now) to be excited about. Yeah,...pretty pretty pretttty bad.

I wouldn't be shocked to see him take Clingan if/when they drop to 4 or 5.

J&J need to go. Been saying that pretty much all season, low IQ limited skill players that get by on athleticism and pretty much athleticism alone. Keep the high IQ duo of Cade and Ausar, keep Fontecchio as a 3 and D, Sasser and Stewart off the bench and fill out the rest of the roster with the Ivey and Duren trade returns, the draft pick and a few capable vets through free agency. Their trade value, Ivey's in particular, might have already deteriorated but they should do it now before the rest of the league is wise to what they are. I hate to say it because there's a bundle of talent with both but they, one, don't fit here and, two, are never likely to play winning basketball.

Investigated for what? The draft sucks and the Pistons don't win with Cade anyway.

Just one game but I wasn't overly impressed with Flagg. I was expecting more considering the massive hype but....just one game so it doesn't mean much. I was more impressed with Harper.

I'd be happy with Claxton as well but Duren at the 4....is not ideal. I actually think Stewart if his 3 point shooting this season is for real is a better fit alongside Claxton. A Duren/Claxton frontcourt would be too clogged. I'd assume Duren is trade bait if they signed Claxton because it doesn't make much sense otherwise and I'd be fine with that, I bet some team would really pony up for him based on the raw production and athletic profile. Hell will freeze over before PG13 plays in Detroit so it doesn't matter if the Pistons want him or not.

Did people actually think this? I thought 30 wins would be a successful season, I can't imagine that many if anybody expected the Pistons to be a bubble playoff team. I can honestly say that nobody saw them as a 12 win team either though.

I think there's a good chance that Jamo will break out at some point, the talent and the will is just too much especially in this BNL environment for him to fail, but the Lions are putting a lot of eggs in the Jamo basket to be a true #2 so there is always the chance it doesn't work out then what? DPJ is the #3 currently, that's....sketchy. I know LaPorta is considered a main target but he's still a Tight End at the end of the day. The Lions need an X receiver but maybe DPJ becomes that guy, he did have good numbers in Cleveland and is young.

I hear you but it's really too bad that the recency bias of the drops overshadow how many big plays he made for the team last season and being the first real receiver that Goff had in his time in Detroit and playing a big part in restoring Goff's confidence back to the Pro Bowl level QB he was prior, one of the first real "culture" guys of the Holmes/Campbell era which is what he really should be remembered for not the two drops at the most critical moments. I get it but it's unfortunate that it's what shaped his Lions legacy.

Keon Coleman doesn't pass the turd test. Brian Thomas is the guy I'm thinking of but Brad might have to trade up for him but it's Holmes, I could see him taking somebody none of us predicted at 29 and that's at the oft chance that he actually stays at 29.

No way that's happening, this is all a part of "restoration"...restoring embarrassment to the Pistons franchise as if it wasn't embarrassing enough already. Either way, it doesn't matter. Weaver is only a small symptom of the disease plaguing the Pistons. Until Gores sells, ineptitude will reign supreme in Pistons Land.

Easily. In fact, there's probably not even a handful of seasons in which they were even considered top 10 before a season. This is completely new territory for any Lions fan under the age of 80.

You know it's a trash draft when Clingan is getting top 5 mention. Dillingham would be mid teens in most drafts as well.

Can't tackle high, can't tackle low, can't tackle in the middle now. Cool, Cool, Cool.

You're right. Regardless, they've gone from 23 to 17 to 12 which isn't reaching 17. At this rate, they'll win 2 by '25-'26.

Can you imagine being a 19 win team then getting progressively WORSE the next 2 years? The suck is unprecedented. Sadly, this might not even be rock bottom. Just wait until they max injury prone Cade and throw the bag at Tobias this offseason. I wish I could throw a shoe at Gores.

Haven't seen one minute of the last 3 games and my life is better off for it. The thing is, the season has been bad enough but there's nothing to look forward to in the offseason. This draft is THE worst I've ever seen and I don't think it's close (maybe the Anthony Bennett draft comes close in terms of hype going in, not looking at Giannis, Gobert, McCollum etc. in retrospect), there's nothing in free agency to get excited about and nothing on the trade market currently that looks all that enticing unless one gets excited about Dejonte Murray. I can see it now, they draft some prospect who is years away from making impact if ever then they see a Bogey-level guy (Tobias?) and run it back with this core. Oh yeah, and the token reclamation project that this bum GM loves to hang his hat on. This makes me long for the Reggie Jackson/Drummond era. Hell, this might be worse than Charlie V/Gordon/Smith. Didn't think that was possible yet.... here we are.

I wasn't making light of any domestic abuse, a man putting his hands on a woman (or vice versa) is unacceptable but I was talking about the difference between striking a woman and the alleged attempting to throw her out of a 3 story window. One is domestic abuse, the other is attempted murder. I'm just saying that, by law, the latter is far more serious than the former.

Kareem Hunt too. Unless Sutton is serving jail time, he'll get back in the league if it's just a common domestic abuse issue and not some of the horrendous things that have been rumored.