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I think Cominsky is worth twice as much as Buggs which is why I think he could very well go somewhere else, there will be a pretty stout market for him.

Very different players, I don't think signing Buggs has much effect on Cominsky re-signing. Glad to have Buggs back, nice cheap deal too.

For sure, I wasn't implying that they don't want to spend or that they don't recognize the window. I just think they stick to a long term plan and primarily build through homegrown growth and free agents that are hungry to prove their worth. I also think that having these extra high picks this year will lessen the urgency to splurge in free agency due to having more shots to find starters in the draft. I will say though that I'm a bit surprised that they were in on Ramsey so perhaps this indicates that they might go bigger in free agency. We'll find out soon either way.

Why does this surprise you? Everything that Holmes and co. have done and said in their tenure indicates that the Lions won't be big spenders in free agency and won't chase big names via trade. You'd figure that maybe that strategy might change a bit now that expectations are rising but I don't think the Lions are a player or two away from Superbowl contention so I don't see them going big game hunting quite yet.

It seems like these trades into the top 5 tend to happen well before the draft. Happened twice two years ago with the San Francisco and Miami trades. I also remember the RGIII and Goff trades happening well before the draft way back when. In any event, this is probably good for the Lions because it enhances the chance of 4 QBs going top 5 depending on what Seattle does and one of Anderson and Carter dropping to 6 although I don't see the Lions taking Carter. I thought the Bears would get at least two 1sts in addition to dropping that far to 9 but they did get two 2nds and I'm sure they value Moore pretty highly so it seems fair.

Yeah, it's all about the off the court stuff with Miller. If all his off the court issues check out then I think he's pretty clearly the #3 player in this draft and fits seamlessly into what the Pistons need.

I think Chark is gone regardless. He's somewhat of a luxury player and I don't see Holmes splurging on a luxury. I also think the WR market is playing out in Chark's favor, somebody will pay him more than he's worth. I don't think a 32 year old Thielen changes the WR market much, supply of quality receivers is very thin.

That's fine. This draft is a Big 3 as far as I'm concerned and Miller is a far better fit for the Pistons than Scoot anyway and I think he has a higher floor. It gets a little dicey after Miller but the Thompson twins (Ausar in particular), Walker and Whitmore are good fits for the Pistons. The positive of this draft is that the top prospects are almost all wings which is the biggest need so they're in a good spot.

I don't think anybody doubts that Lamar has more upside than Goff. I mean... DUH, but there's also far more risk with Lamar and the risk of paying two 1sts and $20m/yr more for the next two seasons isn't worth it. The upside is enticing though but I think continuing to build a TEAM, a team that is building chemistry with Goff is the way to build this thing. I will say that acquiring Lamar would juice up this market like nothing we've seen since ??? I don't know if that would lead to more wins but it sure would generate a crapload of excitement.

"The Lions ceiling with Goff is a playoff win or two". Yet Goff actually led a team to a Superbowl....in real life. "But the ceiling with Jackson is getting to the Superbowl and winning it". Yet Jackson hasn't even won a playoff game or "two", he's won just one, ya know, in real life. Somebody actually pays this yutz to write articles? Jackson would make the Lions more exciting but, I don't know, I prefer wins over excitement and I'm not sure that paying a glorified running back $50m/yr, a runner that is becoming injury prone, while also giving up two 1sts is conducive to winning but that's just me.

How so? Paying a part time QB who isn't a great passer max money while also giving up two 1sts (a Goff trade is unlikely to recoup a 1st) is more preferable to keeping the draft capital, drafting a high upside QB and having Goff for one possibly two relatively cheap years?

I'm mildly annoyed that the pundits completely ignore that Goff is a pretty good QB. Imagine giving up two 1sts only to pay Lamar Jackson (who barely gets on the field anymore) a max QB contract?

I think it's very likely that Chark takes the "bag" and walks. The Lions had a nice season and could take another jump forward next season although development isn't always linear but, lets be honest, they aren't a Super Bowl contender. I don't think they have the cache right now to be on the short list for high end vets looking to win now.

I'll stop posting here for a month if Chark gets less than $10m/yr. It's a weak WR free agent class, Chark will be one of the more attractive options available and there's plenty of teams with more money to spend than the Lions so if he signs that cheap, it'll mean that he left money on the table which I don't see happening. I could see Williams taking a discount to stay so I suppose that one is possible. If Wagner signs that cheap, it'll be with a true contender IMO not here.

I was thinking that FA signings are even more of a pipedream. Chark at 2 yrs $20m? Jamaal at 2 yrs $7.5m? Wagner at 1 year $9m? Those guys would REALLY have to love Dan Campbell to sign at those prices.

Just listen to Richardson speak, you can tell right off the bat that teams are going to fall in love with him in the interview process. Add in the elite physical tools and strong arm and somebody is going to take a shot at him way higher than he should go. One can say that Malik Willis was a great interview and also had the strong arm but he didn't have near the physical tools that Richardson does, Willis was also a couple of years older. Personally, I wouldn't take him with a top 10 pick nevermind a top 5 pick but it's becoming increasingly likely that he'll go top 10, maybe even top 5. The three things that could really shake up the group before the Lions is a 4th QB being taken, a team reaching for Tyree Wilson (some smoke to the Cardinals really liking him) or Carter's legal troubles scaring teams off. All 3 are possible.

That's partially why I'm skeptical of the Ivey fit with Cade, because Casey doesn't know his head from his ass in terms of how to put his players in a position to succeed. He's the biggest deterrent to future Pistons success, Weaver needs to put loyalty and decide what's best for the team and go coach shopping this offseason.

Yeah but my only problem is that this development could be stunted because he won't be running the team next season with Cade back (presumably). He's being deployed as the floor general now but will likely be more off ball with Cade back so I'm unsure of the fit long term.

Donald is an extreme exception of a guy that size succeeding on the interior and that's mainly because of his freakish strength that Kancey doesn't have which is partially why he struggles against the run. Kancey also has arms that are 2 inches shorter. I'd look at him at 18 for sure but I think 6 is too rich.

He got T-Rex arms though

Based on what we know about Holmes and Campbell, the Lions won't dip heavily into free agency/trade market and will continue to build primarily through the draft. The one splurge I can see is possibly Wagner if he's willing to come here to bring in a high quality vet that seems like a culture fit but other than that, I don't see them in any of the top free agents or Ramsey.

I'd say that corner is the most likely pick at 6 unless Anderson falls (who knows with Carter). It's a draft where there's a clear top 2 (non-QBs) then a steep drop off to a whole bunch of prospects that are tightly clustered. Maybe the combine will clear some of this up but, as of right now, I can't see any non-QB prospect that stands out after Carter and Anderson so if all else is equal go for need which is CB in this case.

Yeah but they still played, Smith for 1 year and Favre and Rodgers for multiple years. I also don't expect Goff to be a diva like Favre or Rodgers and make a stink about it. Based on what I know about Goff and this management team/coaching staff, it's that if they draft a QB it would be after they have a sit down with Goff and explain why they're going that route so I don't see this being a toxic situation if that happens. The fact of the matter is that while Goff had a good season (very good), he's not an elite QB so the short of it is that everybody outside of the very elite QBs are replaceable especially when this QB is due for a significant raise in 2 years which could be a cap crippler if he continues to play well within this offense. Is Goff, a lets say top 10 but not top 5 QB worth $50m+/yr? Even guys like Daniel Jones are going to cash in because QBs get paid but how many of these guys are actually worth that? Not an easy decision either way but I can understand the allure of taking a high upside, cheap for the next 5 years, QB if they have reservations about opening up the vault for a good not great QB. Not the route I'd go but I think there's some merit to it from a financial aspect.

If Goff is a professional, he'll deal with it. Favre, who was a Hall of Famer, played out the string with the Packers after drafting Rodgers, same with Rodgers after Love was drafted and Smith when Mahomes was drafted before he was dealt a year later. Goff had a good year but his contract is also up in 2 years and he might command more than he's worth so he should recognize that this is a business decision if they drafted a QB knowing how valuable the 5 year rookie contract is. It's not like the rookie will replace him right away, he'll get 1 year minimum and more like 2 to either build his value for a trade or become the long term solution here. If he demanded a trade because they drafted a QB because he can't handle the heat, that would reflect poorly on him tbh. Personally, I wouldn't draft a QB high in this draft but if the Lions did I wouldn't expect Goff to pout and demand out.

"No Turds Allowed". I'm 99% sure that Carter is now off the Lions board.