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Only if the Cowboys remain one game behind headed into the final week. I believe that the Cowboys are the only team of the 11 win teams that owns the tiebreaker although not sure how a 3 or 4 way tie would work. In any event, hopefully the Lions lose another competitive game this week and the Packers have something to play for in the final week so we can root for the Lions to spoil things for Erin without draft pick position concerns.

Yep and Yep. Ideal loss. Competitive and now only need to lose one more to clinch top 2.

Lawrence has been getting destroyed on the regular. I wouldn't be surprised if they took Neal and the two pass rushers were still available at 2 and 3. Dropping a couple of spots isn't the worst thing in the world and it'll be nice to see this young group get a taste of winning.

Loved this game. I've been seeing it all season, a team that is competing their tails off every week and just has the look of a team/culture that is headed in the right direction. I don't know where it goes from here but I firmly believe that Holmes and Campbell are steering this ship in the right direction. As far as the draft spot is concerned, I don't really care tbh. Hutch, Thibs, Hamilton. All these guys are game changers and none really stand out above the other. It's quite possible that Hutch drops to the Lions even if they end up at 2 or 3 so I'm not too concerned, I just want to see this team build confidence headed into the offseason and nothing builds confidence more than wins. Now if the Pistons win today, the world might implode.

Yes actually. Lance was hyped for a few years. Lawrence, Fields and Lance were talking about as part of a generational class for a while. Wilson and Jones were the big jumpers. I wonder if some teams will have hesitation due to 3 of the QBs taken in that draft struggling mightily currently. I doubt it because as somebody above mentioned, this is a QB league and teams almost always overdraft QBs but with this class being weaker than normal, I wonder how many teams take the plunge. I think teams like Atlanta and Pittsburgh are likely to take one but who knows, I guess it depends on how the board shakes out.

What did the Heisman show have to do with the Lions 2021 #1 pick? Did Hutchinson do something to turn you off from taking him? If anything, the more he talks, the more I want to take him. Seeing his mom wearing Hutchinson's Lions jersey in the stands every game would be a nice little bonus as well.

Without Green funny enough and with minimal contributions from any of their rookies for the most part so not sure it's necessarily a good thing for that franchise.

And then Casey had him inbounding the ball on the last possession. Classic Casey

It's a rebuild and this is the first FULL season of the young guys taking the reigns, what did you guys expect? It should also be noted that Olynyk has been injured most of the season and he was supposed to be a key vet on this roster so some of those close losses might have been wins with him. I expected a lot of losses this season but what bothers me more than anything is Bey's immense regression because he's trying to be something he's not which is a go to scorer. Last year Bey knew his role and played it well while now he's trying to act like he's a star and while Hayes is showing some incremental improvement mainly with his long range shooting, the rest of his offensive game is severely lacking. This goes back to coaching. Casey is putting these guys in a position to fail. His stagnant offense continues to destroy them in 4th quarters. I see too much of Grant and Bey barrelling into guys one on one down the stretch and not enough Cade and Hayes facilitating getting that ball to move side to side. Until that happens, the team will always struggle down the stretch and this old coach isn't changing his ways. In any event, this is what a rebuild feels like. We haven't know this feeling as Pistons fans because they've always been a Championship contender or spun their wheels in perpetual mediocrity. Not since post-Isiah and pre-Hill which was only a couple of seasons have we seen what a real rebuild looks like so this is what we get. Short term pain for long term gain. It's much much better than the 30-40 win Pistons teams of yesteryear. Just have to be patient.

I meant more confident in the Pistons future in the sense that they have their star already which goes a long way in basketball. It's like in football when you have your future star in place at QB. With that base, you're off to a great start in your rebuild. I have no idea if Weaver is the right man for the job but winning the lottery in a really good draft sure made things easier going forward.

The good news, Cade keeps getting better and better as I suspected he would. The bad? Well, everything else. Here's the real hard hitting question, who is worse right now, the Lions or the Pistons? Both have actually been competitive for the most part but both fold like a cheap lawn chair in just about every 4th quarter and can't win a game for the life of them. I'm far more confident about the Pistons future but man, it's a grind to watch these two teams in the meantime.

Pickett is definitely not a below average athlete but yeah, I'm not a huge fan. The more I think about it, the more I think they need to punt on the idea of a QB in this draft and try it next year. Just load up on skill position guys/playmakers.

Good Lord, Jared hit the lottery with that one. Kind of nice to get paid an enormous sum of money to provide mediocre QB play and come home to THAT.

So he's like Matt Patricia, only successful.

No doubt, I'm a big fan of Hutch too. It's just TP's take of Hutch being a "no brainer" that takes it into hot take territory. Thibodeaux has elite tools and as I mentioned in a previous post, there's a lot more that goes into evaluation than raw production especially in this case so it's a tough decision between the two which ultimately is a good thing for the Lions.

Personally, I don't give a hoot what happened in the SVG era anymore. What's done is done and Weaver cleared out the entire SVG regime, literally, so I only care about this team and these players which isn't looking too hot either but at least they have their star in Cade with likely another one added in the draft so brighter days are ahead.

TP's eye test is generally very different from the rest of the population. Well, the population that has eyes that can see.

I could see that. Last draft was exceptionally strong at the top but it's deceiving because the top 10 went offense heavy and was generally a weak draft for Front 7 defenders. I'd say these two are comparable to Parsons as a prospect and he went 12th but could have easily gone 3rd in the previous draft.

This is exactly the problem with your posting style. You post everything in absolutes, it's always an extreme stance with you. The fact of the matter is that KT does have all the elite skills and physical attributes that the top edge rushers have and it's something that counts for a lot when taking about upside. You also need to watch the games to make a proper assessment instead of just looking at a stat sheet. There's no doubt that he's been a bit underwhelming by the eye test and he was disappointing in the Utah game but teams scheme away from him. He doesn't have the luxury of another 1st round level pass rusher on the other side to allow him to go one on one with the tackle most of the game like the case is with Hutch so teams can focus their gameplan on double teaming him and scheming plays to the other side of the field kind of like a shutdown corner in a sense when they avoid his side of the field most of the game (Revis Island for instance). Hutchinson's performance in the Ohio State game and over the course of the season was a major eye opener and there's a lot to like about his game but to completely dismiss Thibodeaux and the immense talent he has because of a stat sheet is foolish. I think it's a strong debate between the two which ultimately is a good thing for the Lions unlike two drafts ago when they almost had to pick Okudah because nobody else was really worthy of the 3rd selection. It'll be a lot of fun to watch these two games Friday and Saturday to see who shows out more.

It was my hope going into last Saturday that Hutchinson would come up big and make a case for #1 and mission accomplished. That was actually one of the best games I've seen from an edge rusher in a big game in a very long time. It's creating a much better scenario for the Lions than it looked like several weeks ago. It's sort of like Suh vs. McCoy although none of these guys are close to the level of prospect that Suh was who was the most dominant college football player I've ever seen in his senior season.

It shouldn't be shocking that Stafford has clammed up against good teams but I also think the Akers and Woods injuries are devastating to that offense. They have no run game and Woods is probably their best all around receiver. With that said, Stafford has made a lot of mistakes that were self inflicted. We've seen that movie before against top teams. They probably still make the playoffs but wouldn't be it lovely if they somehow missed and the Lions get the 17th or 18th pick.

I always liked Hutchinson but as a fall back plan if they won a few games and fell to 2-4 in the draft but that Ohio State performance (against 1st round talent) was a major eye opener. I have a lot of time for players that come up big in big games and he was an absolute game wrecker on Saturday even beyond the numbers with many more pressures that forced rushed throws. He streamrolled that left tackle on several occasions, it was really impressive. I still have Thibodeaux a slight notch above because he has all the physical tools that the elite edge rushers have while Hutch is more of a high motor, relentless attacker type but it sure is an interesting debate to be had.

When was the last time a #1 pick was traded (Goff draft I believe) and how many times before that? Furthermore, how many times did a team trade up to #1 to take a non-QB? Trade ups are almost always for a QB. It's just not realistic to expect a trade down. If the Lions end with #1, they will be drafting #1. It's just like the Okudah draft all over again. They're stuck taking a player with question marks. Maybe they should take a QB at this point since nobody else is #1 worthy, take Corral and bank on that big upside. It's not like he'll start next season anyway.

A trade down would be preferable with no QB worth trading up for, I don't see there being much interest in the #1 pick. Kind of like the Okudah draft, the Lions are stuck at that spot. Hopefully Hutchinson shows some good stuff against Ohio State and puts his name in consideration.

The bad news is that Thibodeaux laid a giant steaming pile of an egg on national TV against Utah so of course the Lions are likely picking #1 in a weak draft. I'm a Thibodeax fan but he hasn't looked like a #1 talent for most of this season. Might have to start taking a closer look at Hutchinson now because I doubt a trade down is possible.